XPost: alt.out-of-body, alt.dreams.castaneda   
   From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   clave_scripts wrote...   
      
   > dang - i lost my post, hit a wrong key or something   
   >   
   > at the onset of sleep, but keeping the mind awake   
   >   
   > like your WILD method but instead of lucidly zooming into a dream   
   > object or environ one separates one's consciousness from one's body   
   >   
   > varied cues, some people feel intense electrical vibrations and at that   
   > point intend to separate from their body and do, others hear sounds,   
   > others use visuals   
   >   
   > i'll dig out a technique and we can try it, and let's just thread it on   
   > the alt.out-of-body group, ok?   
   >   
   > it'll be a robert peterson technique, "bobbing/swaying"   
   >   
   > not sure if l_h is up for it   
      
   ### - just before I first came across WILDS and learned to isolate them from   
   among everything else going on, I did have a very strange experience quite   
   similar to what you describe + made a mental note about it but forgot about   
      
   For example, one night in the early stages of trying different things in a   
   still conscious state/just before falling asleep... I was lying there   
   visualising different things & playing around with semi-asleep   
   awareness, one of which was a visualisation of the room I was actually lying   
   down in... the images were faint and pretty useless really, outlines   
   at-best, but at one point I noticed that I was viewing the room from a   
   standing position... and trying to make the situation as real as possible I   
   thought to myself that perhaps I should be visualising the room from the   
   pov of the same position I was actually in... to which effect I imagined   
   myself perceptually rotating through 90° into a horizontal position   
      
   Anyway, as soon as I'd done that, I noticed then an undulating wave that   
   went from the top of my body to the tips of my toes and back again, slowly   
   growing in strength and rapidity until I suddenly found myself numb + in   
   a dream apparently lying on a bed in some strange room (prison cell   
   actually:) but kept absolutely still for-fear of disrupting the lucidity,   
   and which continued into other lucid dreams until I moved/got-up in one of   
   them (another story)   
      
   point being that right at the beginning of that episode (I was particularly   
   looking to lucid dream remember) where I felt/noticed I was standing instead   
   of laying down etc, especially after the 90° rotation, I certainly felt all   
   those sensations you describe (electrical/whatever, pulsating definitely,   
   grew so strong there was a complete loss of bodily sensation/breathing   
   etc) - only I of course went for the lucid dreaming option when presented   
   with it, and/or turned it into that   
      
   + observe that it happens mostly only when lying down on one's right-side?   
      
   so yeah let's try it... (think I'm done/cooked on the other side anyway :)   
      
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