XPost: alt.out-of-body, alt.dreams.castaneda   
      
   On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:17:34 +0100, Tuvok  wrote:   
      
   >Kaycee wrote:   
   >> Tuvok wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>> Go looking for them in the dream. You can try summoning them as well,   
   >>>> but calling their name and going after them seems to work better..   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Keep in mind, that there's no proof of meeting a real person that way.   
   >>> Most probably it'll be your imagination.. but who knows, there's also   
   >>> no proof that it is not possible.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Sure. If possible, decide beforehand with the other person what you will   
   >> attempt to do in the dreaming, and then compare your (independently   
   >> written) notes afterwards.   
   >   
   >I'm not sure about the "what you will attempt to do". Of course it is   
   >important to decide that you will meet, maybe a specific place could be   
   >chosen, but I think that no more planning should be done.   
   >Because then you could dream what you both planned, and how would you   
   >then know, whether you really have or haven't met?   
      
   Trouble with that is that with the way dreaming works, if two people -can-   
   meet,   
   they might experience such different imagery (the same underlying "stuff" but   
   interpretted differently according to their individual temperaments and   
   ideals).   
   I don't know that it -would- work that way, of course.  But here in the real   
   world, two people seldom describe the same thing even when looking at the same   
   spot at the same time.  In the dream world, if such a "place" exists, our   
   interpretations and expectations shape the landscape so much more explicitly.    
   I   
   would expect that two people connected in dreaming (or "D"reaming if you   
   prefer)   
   would probably see very different situations representing the same underlying   
   event.  Or at least, they'd -remember- them very differently.   
      
   Unfortunately, all that does is make it easier to "interpret" any old   
   experience   
   into a "contact" event, and that's not very useful.  :-\   
      
   >It's unfortunately very complicated to proove anything about dreaming. I   
   >still ask myself a question: am I dreaming lucidly, or am I dreaming   
   >about dreaming lucidly? How to proove which one is taking place? Do I   
   >control the dream or is it fooling me?   
   >   
   >Have any thougths about it?   
      
   Sure.  A dream about some thought or another is equal to that thought.  A dream   
   about being conscious -is- being conscious, even though it's just a dream about   
   it.  Particularly if you can have the wherewithal to ask yourself the question   
   you've just asked above - "Am I really lucid, or am I just imagining that I'm   
   lucid?"  If you're lucid enough to wonder whether or not you're lucid, then   
   you're definitely lucid.  Just my thoughts, tho'.  :-)   
   --   
   Sincerely,   
   GJ   
      
   Only he who fears being seen   
   need ever hide in shadows.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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