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   "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message   
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   > Tom wrote:   
   >> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message   
   >> news:4m537kF4hk3dU1@individual.net...   
   >>> Tom wrote:   
   >>>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message   
   >>>> news:4m41esF4dn4rU1@individual.net...   
   >>>>> hilltopper6509@yahoo.com wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It's someone who steals something they think is Karma but is really   
   >>>>> something entirely different (if it exists at all).   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Karma is simply the law of cause and effect.   
   >>>> Maybe that's something that someone thinks is karma but it's really   
   >>>> something entirely different.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> How about this version?  Karma is the action you believe you are   
   >>>> obliged to perform.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If you have done something you believe to be bad, you may feel obliged   
   >>>> to do something that atones for it.  If you do something good, you may   
   >>>> feel that you are entitled to act in some rewarding way.  If some   
   >>>> unfortunate thing happens to you, you may want to consider it atonement   
   >>>> for something you did that you believe to have been bad.  If some   
   >>>> fortunate thing happens to you, you may want to consider it a reward   
   >>>> for behavior you believe to be good.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It really has nothing to do with any force or sentience outside   
   >>>> yourself. Karma is a product of self-consciousness.  Beyond the self,   
   >>>> it has no meaning at all.   
   >>> Nothing has any meaning beyond the self.   
   >>   
   >> How do you know this?   
   >   
   > There is nobody else to know it.   
      
   That doesn't mean you do.   
      
   > Or perhaps you can point me towards where 'meaning' resides outside of   
   > self?   
      
   This is linguistically inexpressible.  Meaning is not confined to self, but   
   language is.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)