From: tistabop@gmail.com   
      
   On Saturday, March 23, 1996 at 9:00:00 AM UTC+1, Terry Porter wrote:   
   > Gareth Nutt  wrote:   
   > >I have been having lucid dreams now for about ten years. I    
   > >didn't really understand them until I read an article in the now    
   > >defunct 'Omni' magazine. I started to use the techniques in the    
   > >article and found I could have lucid dreams at will.   
   > >The best technique I know is this one:   
   > >Everyone knows that dreams always contain a small element of    
   > >what has happened to you during the day. The way I achieve lucid    
   > >dreams is to use a standard 'reality check' method, but always    
   > >the same one. Throughout the day, I will look down at my watch    
   > >and try and make the hands go backwards. When I can't do it, I    
   > >say to myself (and it is important to repeat this out loud,    
   > >however quietly) " I know now that I am not dreaming, the next    
   > >time I look at my watch, if the hands go backwards, I will know    
   > >that I am dreaming and I will wake up in my dream."   
   > >Nine time out of ten, you will get to a point in your dream (all    
   > >my dreams are what is termed 'vivid dreams' anyway - I always    
   > >dream in full technicolour and with most (albeit dulled) senses,    
   > >and I have some control over my dream self) where you will look    
   > >at your watch and the hands will go backwards. You will realise    
   > >that you are dreaming and 'wake up' in your dream.   
   > >A good way to stay lucid is to concentrate on one particular    
   > >place you want to be (a place you know really well) and then (in    
   > >your dream) put your arms out straight at shoulder height and    
   > >spin round and round repeating the name of the place and    
   > >concentrating the image in your mind.   
   > >I have had some great lucid dreams (flying is the best) but I    
   > >have also had lucid dreams where although awake, I have not had    
   > >full control (being chased by weirwolves in a shopping mall is    
   > >one I can recall). Incidentally, talkig of recalling, I would be    
   > >interested to know how well people remember their lucid dreams.    
   > >I can remember every one, as if it had been real, whereas normal    
   > >dreams, however vivid, always fade from the memory.   
   > >What I can't understand from this newsgroup is the paranormal    
   > >mumbo jumbo shit which is being talked - 'out of body'    
   > >experiences' 'astral bodies' etc. etc. Surely, if you are aware    
   > >that you are a lucid dreamer, you realise that lucid dreaming is    
   > >the explanation of these phenomena, not the cause.   
   > >People who claim to have out of body experiences are clearly    
   > >people who have lucid dreams yet fail to recognise them for what    
   > >they are. They believe that the lucid dream IS reality (as I did    
   > >the first time I had a lucid dream. I really bleieve that I had    
   > >woken up and got out of bed. it was not until the school of    
   > >dolphins swum through the kitchen door that I realised there was    
   > >something wrong!)   
   > >I also believe that near death experiences also can be accounted    
   > >for by lucid dreams. However, you should not underestimate the    
   > >power of lucid dreams. I certainly have worked out a few    
   > >problems from within lucid dreams ( not least of which my    
   > >technique in steep mogul fields whilst skiing).   
   > >BUT they are just dreams. They are produced by the human mind,   
   > >not some mythical astral force. The power of the human brain has   
   > >only been touched upon by science, we should not underestimate    
   > >it ( and that includes the possible explanation of some    
   > >paranormal phenomena - telepathy between twins, knowing the    
   > >phone is going to ring before it does, sensing someone is    
   > >watching you without seeing them etc. etc.) but neither should    
   > >we attribute phenomena produced by it as being the work of some    
   > >bullshit mumbo jumbo astral force which transcends you to some    
   > >alternative astral plane crap.   
   > >It's a dream. You have control. The very fact that you do have    
   > >control should tell you that is a product of your own brain.   
   > >Stay lucid,   
   > >Gareth   
   > Hi Gareth,    
   > My experiences with lucid dreams have had much in common with some of   
   > the points you raise, (total recall as is the dream were a waking   
   > experience). My dreams (non lucid) also have many points in common   
   > with you ( very real , technicolour, most senses and some control).   
   > However I have to disagree with your OBE theories.   
   > I think your argument is really sound , and my MIND tends to agree   
   > with your logic, I could go along with you except for the following:-   
   > I had a obe once after being hit by a car and I feel it is unlike any   
   > lucid dream I have ever had. You havent (yet) addressed the things one   
   > sees whilst OBE (such as hospital equipment connected to you while   
   > unconscious etc), I find it difficult to come up with a purely "lucid"   
   > explanation for this.   
   > Now I can't prove anything, this is all just mho but I think you   
   > should keep an open mind on the subject, cause unless one has a   
   > complete blueprint to the human being on hand,......we cant really be   
   > sure what is and what is not ?   
   > You also seem quite emotive about it ? (astral crap etc), I wonder   
   > why. Do you believe that the mind is the soul participant in our lives   
   > (pun intended :-) ?   
   > Just my humble thoughts on the matter   
   > Terry   
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