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|    Richard Silk to All    |
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|    26 Dec 23 07:50:56    |
   
   From: dicksilk@gmail.com   
      
   Sorry for the *much* delayed posting of this one, but I am *fairly certain* I   
   forgot to post this one, and it's from *around* November 11th, 12th, or   
   13th... likely closer to the 12th or 13th, if that matters, but if I *did*   
   post it, well, here goes a "   
   second perspective" / "review"—   
   Over the years, on at least two, possibly three or four occasions, I've had a   
   type of "astral combat" type dream, wherein the dreamer (feeling   
   *exceptionally* "first person," as in "me, myself and I") feel as if "I" am   
   pushing off a sluggish energy-like "   
   shadow-self."   
      
   Trying to put this into words is certainly its own challenge, but imagine, for   
   a moment, that you (the reader, the individual) are "fighting yourself" in the   
   sense of struggling over making a decision, wherein the part of you that "goes   
   right" takes an    
   action that leads to a future, the one in which you awaken, in which you   
   exist, whereas the part of you that was "pushed off" (practically like a snake   
   shedding a skin, only this may be thought of as an entity shedding a soul (?))   
   is "left behind."   
      
   Let's take the following example as a rather abstract example, but one that   
   "fits" the narrative, so to speak— As I said (wrote) I've had 2 or a few   
   more of these incidents ("astral combats") in the past, and while I have no   
   *precise* idea of how they    
   relate to "real life," I do have a guess or two. So what follows is *merely   
   an example* to illustrate the principle, *rather than* any type of   
   interpretation regarding what it may have actually *meant*:   
      
   Let's say a young guy of around 14 to 16 years old is contemplating the   
   possibility of a life-career path that involves joining the military, thus,   
   would do well to join ROTC in order to become an officer at some point, likely   
   upon graduating college.   
      
   Yet the young guy also has an unresolved (or *possibly* resolved!)   
   moral/religious issue involving the *fact* that *if* he were to join the   
   military, he would *in some way* be placing himself into a position of *very   
   potentially* having to either kill *   
   or be killed* at some point in the future. Let's face it, one does NOT join   
   the military in order to become a shepherd.   
      
   Thus, joining the military (in a volunteer life, such as around the late   
   1970s, when the draft was no longer mandatory, yet "registration" was still   
   required) meant deciding to *opt* for a potential future of having to either   
   kill or be killed, whereas *   
   avoiding* the military simply leaves any such future decision in God's hands.   
      
   In this case, one could reasonably imagine that an "astral combat" type dream   
   is the one in which the shepherd future "pushes off" the militant soldier   
   future, so that military-self is the "shadow soul" that gets "left behind" as   
   the peace-loving    
   shepherd-self awakens to the new morning, and "life continues" as if *nothing*   
   has happened.   
      
   Well, in a sense, "nothing" was simply "left behind," / "pushed off" / "cast   
   aside" for the individual who chooses to leave all such issues regarding "life   
   and death" in the Hands of God the Father, with "nothing" being a "state of   
   non-existence." (X "   
   did not happen," thus X = "nothing.")   
      
   OK, so that's one possible narrative.   
      
   Another possibility is that the "cast off shadow soul" is the one who did NOT   
   father a son.   
      
   The reason I bring this up is because, for a brief period of time (over   
   perhaps a few months) I used to attend a weekly meeting at Grace Lutheran   
   Church on Tuesday nights.   
      
   If I recall this situation correctly (mind you, I have "dain bramage" and some   
   details tend to get fuzzy over time, even only a second or two, if the   
   information fails to "land" correctly in the mind/brain, and days / weeks /   
   months / years tend to get    
   even fuzzier!) this was *either* a weekly meeting of the Church Elders (of   
   Grace Lutheran Church, which was / is always "open to all members") *or*   
   possibly a weekly meeting of Church *Board* members (which again, was / is   
   always "open to all members.")    
   The point being, I was attending simply because it was an "open" meeting,   
   rather than because I was a "member" of that meeting.   
      
   Well, as all meetings go, there's the occasional banter and various things get   
   mentioned / chatter goes around, and I found myself asking if anyone there   
   (and if I recall correctly, the room was *mostly* men, although there was the   
   occasional wife    
   present as well) had ever had one of those combat-type dreams where you are   
   pushing off a shadow-like version of yourself. (It literally feels like   
   you're pushing yourself "off" yourself, as if the inside "core" is pushing off   
   an outside "layer.")   
      
   Everyone there looked at me like they had *no* idea of what I was talking   
   about, and the few who did speak denied ever having any such type of dream.   
      
   OK, I can understand that, after all, some people never even remember having a   
   dream, no big deal.   
      
   However, something else came up that same night, and I believe I was asking a   
   question that came out *something* like: "How many of you have fathered a   
   son?" and, thinking there'd be at least *one* other person there who had a   
   son, I was surprised to    
   find out that they all either had daughters or at least none of them spoke to   
   having fathered a son.   
      
   So in the back of my mind, the fact that A) none of them ever had a "shadow   
   struggle" (astral combat) and B) none of them had ever fathered a son, that   
   *maybe* C) the astral combat has to deal with fathering a son, which would   
   explain why I've had 2, *   
   maybe* 3 of these astral-combat-type experiences, and have at fathered at   
   *least* two sons (according to DNA results) and *possibly* a third (although   
   he, LCTS, was never or has yet to be tested.)   
      
   OK, so why bring all this up now?   
      
   Well, I had a *highly* unusual dream *similar* to an astral combat, one that   
   is *similar* to another from *way* back in the past, which is also *similar*   
   to a "waking dream-like event" from somewhere back around the 1980s, and this   
   *unusual* astral-   
   combat-like event took place *around* mid-to-late November of this year (2023.)   
      
   What happened was this:   
      
      
   [continued in next message]   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   
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