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   Major Scott to DavidR   
   Re: LED car lights flicker - no need!   
   23 Apr 13 15:38:43   
   
   XPost: uk.rec.driving   
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   On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:36:27 +0100, DavidR  wrote:   
      
   >  wrote in message news:kl5ibr$qiu$1@speranza.aioe.org...   
   >> On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:44:38 +0100   
   >> "Major Scott"  wrote:   
   >>> Surely they can design LED lights on cars to have a higher frequency PWM=   
   >>> ?  Even =A3100K cars flicker dramatically, especially when filmed.  It m=   
   >>> akes them look really cheap.  All it would take is a higher frequency PW=   
   >>> M, or a smoothing capacitor?   
   >>   
   >> They flicker for a reason. If they smoothed the current they might just as   
   >> well use DC direct from the battery. I don't know the technical reasons   
   >> why but   
   >   
   > The effect relies on the persistance of the eyes to make it appear that the   
   > average brightness is higher.   
      
   Easy enough to double the frequency of the flicker, then you wouldn't notice   
   it.  Remember 50Hz CRT monitors?   
      
   > Smoothing at source would be less energy efficient.   
      
   I don't believe you.  Switched mode power supplies are very cheap nowadays,   
   especially compared with the cost of a car, especially a £100K car which has   
   the same problem.   
      
   You can get a very smooth DC voltage of any level out of one - just look at   
   your PC power supply then think of a smaller version of it.  There are in fact   
   smaller versions of it on your motherboard changing 12 volts to the CPU   
   voltage (which is in fact    
   variable).   
      
   > Agreed the effect is not pleasant. It would help if they could introduce   
   > softer start for indicators   
      
   I prefer them to go on and off suddenly.  The only problem I have is flickery   
   tail lights.   
      
   > and brake light dimming when conditions suggest a slow moving queue.   
      
   I don't agree with different brightnesses of brakes.  We already have two   
   brightnesses of red - tail and brake.  Adding more would just lead to   
   confusion, you would wonder if it was a tail or a brake.   
      
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