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James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 1/1/2018 11:16 AM:
> On Mon, 01 Jan 2018 04:44:33 -0000, rickman
> wrote:
>
>> James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/31/2017 6:39 AM:
>>> On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:59:45 -0000, rickman wrote:
>>>
>>>> James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 6:45 PM:
>>>>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 22:33:26 -0000, rickman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:56 PM:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:48:34 -0000, rickman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:34 PM:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:31:14 -0000, rickman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 9:37 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:39:04 -0000, Robert Baer
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 03:59:42 -0000, Robert Baer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:49:55 -0000, rickman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/11/2017 11:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:07:43 -0000, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2007-01-19 12:13, Peter Fucker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it really true that turning on a microwave with nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> break it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Derp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a sensible question. This could be done by accident.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I interviewed with a place once that was doing something with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> microwave ovens. They ran them all the time with nothing in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always read that you should not operate them with nothing to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorb the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy and mentioned that. I got a strange look from the guy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the energy that would be absorbed is within the limits of what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ovens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were designed to get rid of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'd think there would be something that absorbs microwaves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the food. And you'd think such a thing would have a thermal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cutout.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody want to try it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IDIOT!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ain't nuttin that "absorbs" the energy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ask how the maggie works with highly mis-matched loads (hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SWR).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I went for an interview in a place that designed industrial
>>>>>>>>>>>>> strength
>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnetron. There IS a block to absorb energy. A microwave oven
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one is VERY badly designed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rule of thumb or any commercial (= = volume) item is: for every
>>>>>>>>>>>> fifty
>>>>>>>>>>>> cent cost to make, selling price must go up by five dollars (cars,
>>>>>>>>>>>> toys,
>>>>>>>>>>>> etc).
>>>>>>>>>>>> Industrial grade magge-powered ovens cost a lot more than the
>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>> the counter el-cheapos that the great unwashed buy.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why would you need to make $4.50 extra because you spend $0.50 more
>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>> production?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know that it is 10 to 1, but the $0.50 higher production
cost
>>>>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>>>>> the price is elevated at each step of the distribution process..
>>>>>>>>>> Most
>>>>>>>>>> costs
>>>>>>>>>> of handling, storage, promotion and retailing are allocated by
price.
>>>>>>>>>> Raise
>>>>>>>>>> the price from the manufacturer by 10% and the final sale price also
>>>>>>>>>> goes up
>>>>>>>>>> 10%, not the exact dollar rise of manufacturing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It costs no more to shift a microwave oven through the retail system
>>>>>>>>> if a
>>>>>>>>> component inside it costs $0.50 more. If I was a shop selling
>>>>>>>>> microwaves,
>>>>>>>>> I'd want a fixed profit per unit, not a percentage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you are not a shop selling microwaves or anything else most
>>>>>>>> likely or
>>>>>>>> you'd be out of business quickly. I suppose you might do OK selling
>>>>>>>> gravel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Virtually every retail establishment has costs which *do* vary with
the
>>>>>>>> selling price of a unit. Which do you think sits on the shelf longer,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> $100 microwave "marked down" to $69 or the $399 unit? That shelf
space
>>>>>>>> costs money, advertising costs money, heating, cooling and lighting
the
>>>>>>>> store costs money. Sometimes the store has their own capital tied
>>>>>>>> up in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> goods (not Walmart, it's yours until it is sold) and a higher profit
>>>>>>>> is the
>>>>>>>> only reason for selling higher priced goods that take longer to
>>>>>>>> shift and
>>>>>>>> sell fewer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you really not see this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would imagine they both sit on the shelf for the same amount of
>>>>>>> time, or
>>>>>>> they're badly priced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, I suppose you know more than the retailers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell me why they want to make fuck all on cheaper ones that take up the
>>>>> same
>>>>> store space.
>>>>
>>>> Why does a supermarket sell name brand and store brand at a much lower
>>>> price? Why do they sell luxury cars and economy cars? If they make the
>>>> same profit on every car regardless of selling price, why bother with the
>>>> expensive ones?
>>>
>>> Half their customers like expensive goods, half like cheap goods. It
>>> doubles the sales if you provide both.
>>
>> So they don't care if they have to inventory a lot more dollars for the same
>> return? You don't understand retail.
>
> Let's say I have a shop with shelf space for 500 microwaves. If the
> expensive ones make me £50 and the cheap ones make me £10, I ain't gonna
> sell the cheap ones.
Like I said, you don't understand retail. You may only make 10 on the low
priced ovens, but if you sell 10 of those for every 1 of the high priced
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