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   Message 7,271 of 7,706   
   Fredxx to Commander Kinsey   
   Re: Slow microwave ovens (1/2)   
   21 Jan 19 17:17:07   
   
   XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y, alt.sci.physics   
   From: fredxx@nospam.com   
      
   On 21/01/2019 16:04:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:   
   > On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:49:20 -0000, trader_4  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 10:36:50 AM UTC-5, Fredxx wrote:   
   >>> On 21/01/2019 15:11:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:   
   >>> > On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 14:56:52 -0000, Fredxx  wrote:   
   >>> >   
   >>> >> On 02/01/2019 16:51:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:   
   >>> >>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2019 16:43:20 -0000, trader_4    
   >>> >>> wrote:   
   >>> >>>   
   >>> >>>> On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 10:58:16 AM UTC-5, Commander   
   >>> Kinsey   
   >>> >>>> wrote:   
   >>> >>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2019 13:26:42 -0000, trader_4   
   >>>    
   >>> >>>>> wrote:   
   >>> >>>>>   
   >>> >>>>> > On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 6:26:03 AM UTC-5,   
   >>> >>>>> angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:   
   >>> >>>>> >> On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 3:58:10 PM UTC-5, Commander   
   >>> Kinsey   
   >>> >>>>> wrote:   
   >>> >>>>> >> > On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 13:00:40 -0000,   
   >>> >>>>>  wrote:   
   >>> >>>>> >> >   
   >>> >>>>> >> > > On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-5, Commander   
   >>> >>>>> Kinsey wrote:   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 11:34:40 -0000,   
   >>> >>>>>  wrote:   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >>   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> > On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 3:24:35 PM UTC-5,   
   >>> William   
   >>> >>>>> Gothberg wrote:   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 20:20:18 -0000, trader_4   
   >>> >>>>>  wrote:   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >>   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> > On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-5,   
   >>> >>>>> William Gothberg wrote:   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 10:21:46 -0000, Max Demian   
   >>> >>>>>  wrote:   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >>   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > On 30/12/2018 03:18, Bill Wright wrote:   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> On 29/12/2018 17:35, William Gothberg wrote:   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2018 17:15:05 -0000, Bill Wright   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>  wrote:   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>> On 29/12/2018 16:27, William Gothberg wrote:   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>>   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>>> It can take 5 minutes to warm something from   
   >>> >>>>> frozen to eating   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>>> temperature.  I see no reason that couldn't be   
   >>> >>>>> made into 2 minutes.   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>>   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>> Conduction   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>> Which would be way faster if the water   
   >>> content the   
   >>> >>>>> microwaves were   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>> hitting was heated hotter.   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> But the difference in temp between the outside   
   >>> and   
   >>> >>>>> the inside of the   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> food would be greater and this could result in   
   >>> food   
   >>> >>>>> that was both over-   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> and under-cooked. This is why microwave ovens   
   >>> have   
   >>> >>>>> low settings, so food   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> can cook slowly and evenly. Anyone who uses a   
   >>> >>>>> microwave a lot will be   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> well aware of this. For items where convection   
   >>> can   
   >>> >>>>> assist conduction   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> higher power can be fine, but not for large solid   
   >>> >>>>> lumps of food.   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >>   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> I can't say many things I cook have large solid   
   >>> lumps.   
   >>> >>>>> All ready meals are pretty much fluid, so convection and   
   >>> conduction   
   >>> >>>>> can take place, and almost everything I cook is a dish of   
   >>> something   
   >>> >>>>> which is only 2 inches deep.   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >>   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > I don't know what the low settings are for. All   
   >>> the   
   >>> >>>>> instructions I've   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > seen - e.g. on ready meals - say "full power".   
   >>> There   
   >>> >>>>> is the defrost   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > setting, but microwaves aren't very good at   
   >>> >>>>> defrosting as they don't   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > heat frozen water very well.   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >>   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >> Mine thaws a frozen (already cooked) pizza extremely   
   >>> >>>>> well, on full power.  It turns a -20C pizza into a +40C pizza in 4   
   >>> >>>>> minutes.   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> > Only a moron would cook a pizza in a microwave.   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >>   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> No, anyone who wants it ready more quickly.  I buy the   
   >>> >>>>> frozen pizza in the supermarket, place it in the microwave, then I   
   >>> >>>>> can eat it in 4 minutes.   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >>   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >> Why would you think pizzas shouldn't go in microwaves?!   
   >>> >>>>> Every foodstuff can be cooked in a microwave.   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> > Because some of us are more interested in good   
   >>> results than   
   >>> >>>>> in speed.   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> >   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> > When I want pizza, I make the crust from scratch,   
   >>> wait for   
   >>> >>>>> it to rise,   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> > shape it, top it, and bake it at 550 F.   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >>   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >> And your stomach is happy to wait?!   
   >>> >>>>> >> > >   
   >>> >>>>> >> > > Sure.  I plan ahead, and the pizza is ready when my   
   >>> stomach is.   
   >>> >>>>> >> >   
   >>> >>>>> >> > When I see food, I get hungry, it's a natural instinct.   
   >>> >>>>> Therefore I cannot prepare food without consuming half the   
   >>> >>>>> ingredients during the cooking operation.   
   >>> >>>>> >>   
   >>> >>>>> >> Like a child.   
   >>> >>>>> >>   
   >>> >>>>> >> > > If I want something fast, I have scrambled eggs.   
   >>> >>>>> >> >   
   >>> >>>>> >> > I always want something fast, therefore I cook EVERYTHING   
   >>> in a   
   >>> >>>>> microwave.  Even things that say you have to use an oven, I   
   >>> ignore it   
   >>> >>>>> and use the microwave, funnily enough it tastes nice and is   
   >>> edible.   
   >>> >>>>> >>   
   >>> >>>>> >> You have an undeveloped palate.  Ready meals taste "nice"   
   >>> because   
   >>> >>>>> they   
   >>> >>>>> >> hit your evolutionary preferences for fat, salt, and sugar.   
   >>> The   
   >>> >>>>> >> manufacturers do that deliberately so you won't notice how   
   >>> truly   
   >>> >>>>> >> wretched the underlying taste is.   
   >>> >>>>> >>   
   >>> >>>>> >> Cindy Hamilton   
   >>> >>>>> >   
   >>> >>>>> > It's still mostly wretched compared to real cooked food that you   
   >>> >>>>> prepare   
   >>> >>>>> > yourself.  The idea that a pizza cooked in a microwave is   
   >>> >>>>> representative   
   >>> >>>>> > of good pizza is absurd.  The vast majority of the commercial   
   >>> >>>>> frozen pizzas   
   >>> >>>>> > that I've seen do not say that they should be or can be   
   >>> cooked in a   
      
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