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   Message 7,276 of 7,706   
   Steven to Commander Kinsey   
   Re: Slow microwave ovens (1/2)   
   22 Jan 19 05:52:48   
   
   XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y, alt.sci.physics   
   From: shy543@gmail.com   
      
   "Commander Kinsey"  wrote in message   
   news:op.zvzb0pz8wdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...   
   > On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 17:14:35 -0000, Fredxx  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 21/01/2019 16:04:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:   
   >>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:36:46 -0000, Fredxx  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 21/01/2019 15:11:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:   
   >>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 14:56:52 -0000, Fredxx  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 02/01/2019 16:51:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2019 16:43:20 -0000, trader_4    
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 10:58:16 AM UTC-5, Commander   
   >>>>>>>> Kinsey   
   >>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2019 13:26:42 -0000, trader_4   
   >>>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> > On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 6:26:03 AM UTC-5,   
   >>>>>>>>> angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> >> On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 3:58:10 PM UTC-5, Commander   
   >>>>>>>>> >> Kinsey   
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 13:00:40 -0000,   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> >> >   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > > On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-5, Commander   
   >>>>>>>>> Kinsey wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 11:34:40 -0000,   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 3:24:35 PM UTC-5,   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > William   
   >>>>>>>>> Gothberg wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 20:20:18 -0000, trader_4   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-5,   
   >>>>>>>>> William Gothberg wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 10:21:46 -0000, Max Demian   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > On 30/12/2018 03:18, Bill Wright wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> On 29/12/2018 17:35, William Gothberg wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2018 17:15:05 -0000, Bill Wright   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>> On 29/12/2018 16:27, William Gothberg wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>>> It can take 5 minutes to warm something from   
   >>>>>>>>> frozen to eating   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>>> temperature.  I see no reason that couldn't be   
   >>>>>>>>> made into 2 minutes.   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>> Conduction   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>> Which would be way faster if the water content   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>> the   
   >>>>>>>>> microwaves were   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>> hitting was heated hotter.   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> But the difference in temp between the outside   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> and   
   >>>>>>>>> the inside of the   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> food would be greater and this could result in   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> food   
   >>>>>>>>> that was both over-   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> and under-cooked. This is why microwave ovens   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> have   
   >>>>>>>>> low settings, so food   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> can cook slowly and evenly. Anyone who uses a   
   >>>>>>>>> microwave a lot will be   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> well aware of this. For items where convection   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> can   
   >>>>>>>>> assist conduction   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> higher power can be fine, but not for large solid   
   >>>>>>>>> lumps of food.   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> I can't say many things I cook have large solid   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> lumps.   
   >>>>>>>>> All ready meals are pretty much fluid, so convection and   
   >>>>>>>>> conduction   
   >>>>>>>>> can take place, and almost everything I cook is a dish of   
   >>>>>>>>> something   
   >>>>>>>>> which is only 2 inches deep.   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > I don't know what the low settings are for. All   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > the   
   >>>>>>>>> instructions I've   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > seen - e.g. on ready meals - say "full power".   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > There   
   >>>>>>>>> is the defrost   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > setting, but microwaves aren't very good at   
   >>>>>>>>> defrosting as they don't   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > heat frozen water very well.   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> Mine thaws a frozen (already cooked) pizza extremely   
   >>>>>>>>> well, on full power.  It turns a -20C pizza into a +40C pizza in 4   
   >>>>>>>>> minutes.   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > Only a moron would cook a pizza in a microwave.   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> No, anyone who wants it ready more quickly.  I buy the   
   >>>>>>>>> frozen pizza in the supermarket, place it in the microwave, then I   
   >>>>>>>>> can eat it in 4 minutes.   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> Why would you think pizzas shouldn't go in microwaves?!   
   >>>>>>>>> Every foodstuff can be cooked in a microwave.   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Because some of us are more interested in good results   
   >>>>>>>>> than   
   >>>>>>>>> in speed.   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > When I want pizza, I make the crust from scratch, wait   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > for   
   >>>>>>>>> it to rise,   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> > shape it, top it, and bake it at 550 F.   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >> And your stomach is happy to wait?!   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > >   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > > Sure.  I plan ahead, and the pizza is ready when my   
   >>>>>>>>> stomach is.   
   >>>>>>>>> >> >   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > When I see food, I get hungry, it's a natural instinct.   
   >>>>>>>>> Therefore I cannot prepare food without consuming half the   
   >>>>>>>>> ingredients during the cooking operation.   
   >>>>>>>>> >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> Like a child.   
   >>>>>>>>> >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > > If I want something fast, I have scrambled eggs.   
   >>>>>>>>> >> >   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > I always want something fast, therefore I cook EVERYTHING in   
   >>>>>>>>> >> > a   
   >>>>>>>>> microwave.  Even things that say you have to use an oven, I   
   >>>>>>>>> ignore it   
   >>>>>>>>> and use the microwave, funnily enough it tastes nice and is   
   >>>>>>>>> edible.   
   >>>>>>>>> >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> You have an undeveloped palate.  Ready meals taste "nice"   
   >>>>>>>>> >> because   
   >>>>>>>>> they   
   >>>>>>>>> >> hit your evolutionary preferences for fat, salt, and sugar.   
   >>>>>>>>> >> The   
   >>>>>>>>> >> manufacturers do that deliberately so you won't notice how   
   >>>>>>>>> >> truly   
   >>>>>>>>> >> wretched the underlying taste is.   
   >>>>>>>>> >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> Cindy Hamilton   
   >>>>>>>>> >   
   >>>>>>>>> > It's still mostly wretched compared to real cooked food that you   
   >>>>>>>>> prepare   
      
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