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   Roger Hayter to Max Demian   
   Re: What is inside an LED "starter"   
   04 Mar 19 00:43:28   
   
   XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y   
   From: roger@hayter.org   
      
   Max Demian  wrote:   
      
   > On 03/03/2019 18:59, Mark Lloyd wrote:   
   > > On 3/2/19 1:20 PM, Art Todesco wrote:   
   > >   
   > > [snip]   
   > >   
   > >> Here's the way it is.  There are 2 full wave rectifiers.  The DC   
   > >> outputs are connected together; + of each and - of each.  These feed   
   > >> the converter which is the standard chip, pulsing a transformer.  The   
   > >> output of this is 1/2 wave rectified, filtered and goes to the string   
   > >> of LEDs. Now back to the 2 full wave rectifiers (FWR).  One input to   
   > >> the 1st FWR comes from a pin on one end of the tube and the other   
   > >> input to the 1st FWR comes a pin on the other end.  The 2nd FWR is   
   > >> wired the same way, except it uses the unused pins on the ends of the   
   > >> tube.  For some reason there is a 5 ohm resistor in 3 of the 4 inputs   
   > >> to the FWRs.  The 4th is direct connected.  But if you trace is out,   
   > >> you can supply 120 VAC to any 2 pins and it works.  You can even power   
   > >> from one end and short the pins on the other end and it still works.   
   > >> Clever!   
   > >   
   > > And I seem to remember some that work on any supply voltage from 120V to   
   > > 277V.   
   >   
   > Did anyone need to run a TV on DC, or was it just to save having a heavy   
   > mains transformer?   
      
   I don't know when the last public DC mains supply was replaced, but I   
   tend to think that AC/DC TVs were actually designed to work on DC mains   
   up to the early 1950s at least.   
      
      
   >   
   > There were certainly AC/DC *radios* that would cope with 120V to 250V or   
   > so. Needed a whopping great dropper resistor when working on the higher   
   > voltages. I used to have such a (portable valve) radio which would work   
   > on battery as well. The dropper was originally in the mains lead but had   
   > been replaced with a component in the case.   
      
      
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