XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y, alt.sci.physics   
   From: rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com   
      
   "Commander Kinsey"  wrote in message   
   news:op.z24vq4ukwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...   
   > On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:11:57 +0100, Rod Speed    
   > wrote:   
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   >> "Commander Kinsey"  wrote in message   
   >> news:op.z24ke1iqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...   
   >>> On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed    
   >>> wrote:   
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   >>>> "Commander Kinsey"  wrote in message   
   >>>> news:op.z24gs5lmwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...   
   >>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:05:52 +0100, Rod Speed   
   >>>>>    
   >>>>> wrote:   
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   >>>>>> "Commander Kinsey"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>> news:op.z2ziatlkwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...   
   >>>>>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:08:06 +0100, trader_4    
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>> On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:53:05 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey   
   >>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns   
   >>>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> > Commander Kinsey wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> >   
   >>>>>>>>> >> Andy Burns wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >>> Very little incentive to have any at all now that the   
   >>>>>>>>> >>> feed-in/bribery   
   >>>>>>>>> >>> tariff has ended.   
   >>>>>>>>> >>   
   >>>>>>>>> >> That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a   
   >>>>>>>>> >> couple   
   >>>>>>>>> >> of   
   >>>>>>>>> >> years old.   
   >>>>>>>>> >   
   >>>>>>>>> > FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs.  I tried   
   >>>>>>>>> to   
   >>>>>>>>> get   
   >>>>>>>>> some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at   
   >>>>>>>>> all?   
   >>>>>>>>> Is   
   >>>>>>>>> there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small   
   >>>>>>>>> number?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You don't even say where this is.  The rebates, tax incentives,   
   >>>>>>>> payments   
   >>>>>>>> for electric you generate, vary widely, state by state.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Sorry I thought you knew I lived in the UK.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I agree though that a small number doesn't make sense, assuming   
   >>>>>>>> it's   
   >>>>>>>> not   
   >>>>>>>> enough to cover the energy usage of the house.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Irrelevant, you can always make more and it just goes into the grid.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> But when you are paid fuck all for what goes into the grid   
   >>>>>> it makes no sense to be paying a lot more for the panels.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> It also makes no sense to have any at all.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Yep, in scotland with a new house it makes a lot   
   >>>> more sense to spend that on a better house.   
   >>>   
   >>> Agreed.   
   >>>   
   >>>>> Unless you're an unusual person who constantly consumes a small amount   
   >>>>> of power,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Nothing unusual about being retired, not working or working from home   
   >>>> anymore.   
   >>>   
   >>> Most retired folk live in better houses, these are small new builds.   
   >>   
   >> But plenty do downsize in retirement.   
   >   
   > A few poor folk do.   
      
   Plenty of non poor people do too.   
      
   > But I find most older folk in nice big houses.   
      
   Bet statistically that's bullshit with even just scotland.   
      
   >>> And your consumption still won't be anything like related to the solar   
   >>> generation.  Most of the time you will be buying or selling to the grid.   
   >>   
   >> That's arguable with those I listed.   
   >   
   > Everybody uses electricity unevenly.   
      
   But that doesn't necessarily mean its viable to sell to the grid   
   when the grid pays fuck all for what you send them now.   
      
   >>>>> you'll often be selling the 1kW to the grid anyway, as it's nearer   
   >>>>> midday   
   >>>>> when you get more sun, and that's when you're probably out.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Spotted something else there today: heat pumps!  Never seen one   
   >>>>> installed   
   >>>>> in the UK before.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Then you need to get out more.   
   >>>   
   >>> No, the UK needs to adopt new technology.   
   >>   
   >> There has been plenty of that for years there now.   
   >   
   > Fuck all people have heat pumps in the UK.   
      
   Because gas makes more sense.   
      
   > Most heat with gas, nobody really needs AC,   
      
   A few with weird medical conditions do.   
      
   Yeah, yeah, they should just top themselves, much cheaper.   
      
   > those without mains gas have their own propane tank or use resistive   
   > electric heating.   
      
   And pay a lot more with resistive electric heating.   
      
   >>>>> The tories are planning on banning gas boilers installed in new homes   
   >>>>> soon,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Bet that doesn't happen.   
   >>>   
   >>> It shouldn't happen, gas is very cheap here compared to electricity.   
   >>> And   
   >>> at the same time the tories are allowing the building of gas power   
   >>> stations and fracking (which I have nothing against).  So do they want   
   >>> the   
   >>> gas to be used or not?   
   >>   
   >> The want it to be used less to heat houses so more can be   
   >> used to generate electricity now that they have been stupid   
   >> enough to shut down all the coal fired power generation   
   >> and have been much too slow building nukes.   
   >   
   > How insane, taking one fuel and converting it to another and wasting half   
   > of it in the process.   
      
   They don't convert it or waste it.   
      
   >>>>> but I didn't think that had taken effect yet.  They look quite fancy,   
   >>>>> piping going into several parts of the house, presumably to   
   >>>>> individually   
   >>>>> heat or cool rooms.   
   >>   
   >>>> And don't come cheap and arent cheap to run.   
   >>   
   >>> I'm going to get one at some point, they start at £400.  Similar price   
   >>> to   
   >>> a gas boiler.  And they cost about the same to run as a gas boiler, plus   
   >>> they can go in reverse and be an AC unit.   
   >>   
   >> That soggy little frigid island hardly ever needs AC.   
   >   
   > Correct, but for a month or two I'd like it.  It can get to about 27C in   
   > my house for those two months and I don't like over 22.   
      
   Mad with that 22C   
      
   >>>>> I also saw illogical paving slabs, which I've seen elsewhere before:   
   >>>>> like this cheap shit:   
   >>>>> http://northwalesblockpaving.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015   
   06/IMG_1912.jpg   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Yeah, pretty fucked with the strip of gravel between it   
   >>>> and the wall   
   >>>   
   >>> Yeah that is weird.   
   >>>   
   >>>> and the bit that projects into the grass.   
   >>>   
   >>> I assume that's to put some chairs on.   
   >>   
   >> Too small for that.   
   >   
   > Two chairs then.   
      
   Too small for that too.   
      
   >>> But my point is not on that photo.   
   >>   
   >> Yeah, wondered about that.   
   >   
   > I couldn't find an example of the weird shit I saw.   
   >   
   >>> The ones I saw, some had been cut diagonally across, I can't see the   
   >>> point   
   >>> in that unless the whole square needs to bend over a curve in the land,   
   >>> which it wasn't.   
      
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