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From: rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news:op.z28iojr4wdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:38:42 +0100, Rod Speed
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>> news:op.z28ftoxvwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:45:37 +0100, Rod Speed
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>> news:op.z28duscvwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:27:31 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:op.z2720ruxwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 07:50:29 +0100, Xeno
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/6/19 4:27 pm, Steve Walker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/06/2019 03:16, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/19 9:47 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:04:10 +0100, Xeno
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/19 8:08 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:24:43 +0100, Xeno
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/6/19 6:12 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:11:57 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:op.z24ke1iqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:op.z24gs5lmwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> triangular slabs. I could understand that if there was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> door
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buyers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catering for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1% of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the population.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your dregs or women vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amazing we can't leave something instantly. It should have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than a month.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently you understand very little of the complexity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's complex to start doing something, it's damn easy to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as complex in this case. You need to reinitiate all
>>>>>>>>>>>> systems
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> were in place prior or, more likely, develop new systems since
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>>>>> would likely be obsolete.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Copy what's in place or delete it. Takes a matter of a week or
>>>>>>>>>>> two.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why would you *copy* a system you're tossing away?
>>>>>>>>>> You can't just *delete* what's in place. You need to transition.
>>>>>>>>>> What's more, you need something to transition to.
>>>>>>>>>> What existed before the EU is no longer relevant nor is it
>>>>>>>>>> desirable.
>>>>>>>>>> A *new system* needs to be developed, tested and then the
>>>>>>>>>> *existing*
>>>>>>>>>> transitioned to the new.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You copy most of what is there, with one additional piece of
>>>>>>>>> legislation
>>>>>>>>> specifying that all refderences to EU rules, regulations,
>>>>>>>>> establishments
>>>>>>>>> and structures are now to be read as referring to a list of named
>>>>>>>>> UK
>>>>>>>>> institutions, but then you have the power to change it later. No
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> change everything instantly, it can be phased over years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is what I said - in a nutshell - phased in over years. The
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> aspect you have not given any thought to is the logistics of it
>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> is a lot more involved than most people think, the legislation
>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>> just the start of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the "phased in over years" can happen after we leave the EU.
>>>>>>> Just
>>>>>>> make all EU laws into UK laws instantly, and remove or adjust them
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> wish over the coming years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That works with legislation but there is a lot more than just
>>>>>> legislation
>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>
>>>>> Give me examples of what couldn't be done as above.
>>>>
>>>> Aircraft landing rights.
>>>> Fishing rights
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>
>> Because those arent determined by UK legislation, they are
>> set by the EU, so the UK can't just copy the EU legislation with
>> a few name changes on who gets to rule in a dispute etc.
>>
>>> Just make them precisely as the EU has them at the moment,
>>
>> Not possible, because that doesn't give the UK
>> permission to fly to anywhere it likes in the EU.
>>
>>> then we're free to change them later.
>>
>> Nope.
>
> In the above cases, the EU is free to change them later.
They stop being rights as soon as the UK leaves the EU.
There is no changing later with them.
>We simply leave right now, and everything stays as it is.
Nope, they stop as soon as the UK leaves the EU.
> Then we go about changing rules to suit ourselves
The EU doesn't need to do anything, those
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