XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y, alt.sci.physics
From: CFKinsey@military.org.jp
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:47:17 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
> news:op.z28iojr4wdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:38:42 +0100, Rod Speed
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>> news:op.z28ftoxvwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:45:37 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>> news:op.z28duscvwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:27:31 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:op.z2720ruxwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 07:50:29 +0100, Xeno
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/19 4:27 pm, Steve Walker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/06/2019 03:16, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/19 9:47 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:04:10 +0100, Xeno
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/19 8:08 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:24:43 +0100, Xeno
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/6/19 6:12 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:11:57 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:op.z24ke1iqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:op.z24gs5lmwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> triangular slabs. I could understand that if there was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> door
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buyers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catering for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1% of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the population.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your dregs or women vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amazing we can't leave something instantly. It should have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than a month.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently you understand very little of the complexity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's complex to start doing something, it's damn easy to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as complex in this case. You need to reinitiate all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> systems
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were in place prior or, more likely, develop new systems since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would likely be obsolete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Copy what's in place or delete it. Takes a matter of a week or
>>>>>>>>>>>> two.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why would you *copy* a system you're tossing away?
>>>>>>>>>>> You can't just *delete* what's in place. You need to transition.
>>>>>>>>>>> What's more, you need something to transition to.
>>>>>>>>>>> What existed before the EU is no longer relevant nor is it
>>>>>>>>>>> desirable.
>>>>>>>>>>> A *new system* needs to be developed, tested and then the
>>>>>>>>>>> *existing*
>>>>>>>>>>> transitioned to the new.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You copy most of what is there, with one additional piece of
>>>>>>>>>> legislation
>>>>>>>>>> specifying that all refderences to EU rules, regulations,
>>>>>>>>>> establishments
>>>>>>>>>> and structures are now to be read as referring to a list of named
>>>>>>>>>> UK
>>>>>>>>>> institutions, but then you have the power to change it later. No
>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> change everything instantly, it can be phased over years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which is what I said - in a nutshell - phased in over years. The
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> aspect you have not given any thought to is the logistics of it
>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>> is a lot more involved than most people think, the legislation
>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>> just the start of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But the "phased in over years" can happen after we leave the EU.
>>>>>>>> Just
>>>>>>>> make all EU laws into UK laws instantly, and remove or adjust them
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> wish over the coming years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That works with legislation but there is a lot more than just
>>>>>>> legislation
>>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Give me examples of what couldn't be done as above.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aircraft landing rights.
>>>>> Fishing rights
>>>>
>>>> Why not?
>>>
>>> Because those arent determined by UK legislation, they are
>>> set by the EU, so the UK can't just copy the EU legislation with
>>> a few name changes on who gets to rule in a dispute etc.
>>>
>>>> Just make them precisely as the EU has them at the moment,
>>>
>>> Not possible, because that doesn't give the UK
>>> permission to fly to anywhere it likes in the EU.
>>>
>>>> then we're free to change them later.
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>> In the above cases, the EU is free to change them later.
>
> They stop being rights as soon as the UK leaves the EU.
> There is no changing later with them.
That's up to them. And also up to us to not let them in either.
>> We simply leave right now, and everything stays as it is.
>
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