XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y, alt.sci.physics
From: xenolith@optusnet.com.au
On 14/6/19 8:59 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:06:13 +0100, Xeno wrote:
>
>> On 13/6/19 2:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 01:24:38 +0100, Rod Speed
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>> news:op.z28s84sjwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:52:26 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:op.z28l88bywdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:44:20 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:op.z28imsizwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:41:18 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:op.z28fvcgdwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:35:47 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "devnull" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:n_PLE.43682$T52.29836@fx35.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/11/19 9:40 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income tax on your losses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege". The bank
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pays
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2%
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest but inflation goes up 3%.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Essentially you have less buying power at the end of the year
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still have to pay taxes on the 2% "gain".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The democrats have lots of slick scams to take money from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxpayers and give it to their lazy welfare constituents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet only half pay any income tax. Or are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dems
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>> clever that they have worked out how to make just Repugs pay
>>>>>>>>>>>> income
>>>>>>>>>>>> tax
>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Who cares about income tax?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In all but the USA, it's the main tax most pay in the first
>>>>>>>>>> world. Only the unemployable dregs like you pay most
>>>>>>>>>> of the tax they pay in the VAT and fuel and sin taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's one of only 50 taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What matters is how much you pay in each one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> VAT is 20%! You will eventually spend all you earn,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plenty of the better paid don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nobody accumulates money forever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty with a clue accumulate it till they stop working
>>>>>> and plenty accumulate it and hand it on to their kids too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If they don't spend it their descendants will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty of their descendents arent stupid enough to spend it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If what you were saying was true, there would be an ever increasing
>>>>> number
>>>>> of people with huger and huger amounts of money.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so that's 20% which is significantly similar to the income tax
>>>>>>>>> rate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not with the better paid. Only the dregs of the labour market.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're poor, you pay a low rate,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the dregs mostly do pay just VAT and petrol and sin taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if you're rich, you bend the rules and pay a low rate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not even possible for most of the better paid wage slaves.
>>>>>> Those pay a lot more than 20% income tax.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope,
>>>>
>>>> Yep.
>>>>
>>>>> once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle things
>>>>> nicely.
>>>>
>>>> We werent discussing the really rich.
>>>
>>> We only pay more than 20% on anything we earn over £46,351. That's
>>> really rich buggers, I can't think of anyone earning that much. They
>>> can afford accountants to cheat.
>>
>> You're mixing in the wrong circles. One of my friends in the UK,
>> Folkestone to be precise, earns well over £100,000 per annum. Others
>> earn slightly lesser amounts. One of my friends here, until he retired
>> recently, was earning £150,000 for 6 months work. It has to be said,
>> both those aforementioned are highly qualified in their respective
>> fields.
>
> That's more than the prime minister gets paid. Nobody should be earning
> that much. The average UK wage is a fraction of that and we should all
> be paid a similar amount.
Why? He is getting paid *what he is worth*. He put in the time and
effort studying and gaining experience on the ground to get where he is
and if people are willing to pay him appropriately for his work, then
that is up to him. I put in 12 years at uni and decades in trade
relevant study and qualifications but you think a labourer should get
the same pay as I? You need to get real.
--
Xeno
Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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