XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y, alt.sci.physics
From: CFKinsey@military.org.jp
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 03:10:35 +0100, Xeno wrote:
> On 14/6/19 8:59 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:06:13 +0100, Xeno wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/6/19 2:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 01:24:38 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>> news:op.z28s84sjwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:52:26 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:op.z28l88bywdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:44:20 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:op.z28imsizwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:41:18 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:op.z28fvcgdwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:35:47 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "devnull" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:n_PLE.43682$T52.29836@fx35.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/11/19 9:40 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income tax on your losses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege". The bank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pays
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest but inflation goes up 3%.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Essentially you have less buying power at the end of the year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still have to pay taxes on the 2% "gain".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The democrats have lots of slick scams to take money from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxpayers and give it to their lazy welfare constituents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet only half pay any income tax. Or are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dems
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever that they have worked out how to make just Repugs pay
>>>>>>>>>>>>> income
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Who cares about income tax?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In all but the USA, it's the main tax most pay in the first
>>>>>>>>>>> world. Only the unemployable dregs like you pay most
>>>>>>>>>>> of the tax they pay in the VAT and fuel and sin taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's one of only 50 taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What matters is how much you pay in each one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> VAT is 20%! You will eventually spend all you earn,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Plenty of the better paid don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody accumulates money forever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plenty with a clue accumulate it till they stop working
>>>>>>> and plenty accumulate it and hand it on to their kids too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If they don't spend it their descendants will.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plenty of their descendents arent stupid enough to spend it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If what you were saying was true, there would be an ever increasing
>>>>>> number
>>>>>> of people with huger and huger amounts of money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> so that's 20% which is significantly similar to the income tax
>>>>>>>>>> rate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not with the better paid. Only the dregs of the labour market.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you're poor, you pay a low rate,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, the dregs mostly do pay just VAT and petrol and sin taxes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if you're rich, you bend the rules and pay a low rate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not even possible for most of the better paid wage slaves.
>>>>>>> Those pay a lot more than 20% income tax.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep.
>>>>>
>>>>>> once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle things
>>>>>> nicely.
>>>>>
>>>>> We werent discussing the really rich.
>>>>
>>>> We only pay more than 20% on anything we earn over £46,351. That's
>>>> really rich buggers, I can't think of anyone earning that much. They
>>>> can afford accountants to cheat.
>>>
>>> You're mixing in the wrong circles. One of my friends in the UK,
>>> Folkestone to be precise, earns well over £100,000 per annum. Others
>>> earn slightly lesser amounts. One of my friends here, until he retired
>>> recently, was earning £150,000 for 6 months work. It has to be said,
>>> both those aforementioned are highly qualified in their respective
>>> fields.
>>
>> That's more than the prime minister gets paid. Nobody should be earning
>> that much. The average UK wage is a fraction of that and we should all
>> be paid a similar amount.
>
> Why? He is getting paid *what he is worth*. He put in the time and
> effort studying and gaining experience on the ground to get where he is
> and if people are willing to pay him appropriately for his work, then
> that is up to him. I put in 12 years at uni and decades in trade
> relevant study and qualifications but you think a labourer should get
> the same pay as I? You need to get real.
So while the labourer was toiling away, you were sat relaxing in a classroom.
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