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From: xenolith@optusnet.com.au
On 15/6/19 11:22 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 03:10:35 +0100, Xeno wrote:
>
>> On 14/6/19 8:59 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:06:13 +0100, Xeno
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 13/6/19 2:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 01:24:38 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:op.z28s84sjwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:52:26 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:op.z28l88bywdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:44:20 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:op.z28imsizwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:41:18 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:op.z28fvcgdwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:35:47 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "devnull" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:n_PLE.43682$T52.29836@fx35.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/11/19 9:40 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income tax on your losses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege". The bank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pays
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest but inflation goes up 3%.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Essentially you have less buying power at the end of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still have to pay taxes on the 2% "gain".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The democrats have lots of slick scams to take money from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxpayers and give it to their lazy welfare constituents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet only half pay any income tax. Or are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever that they have worked out how to make just Repugs pay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who cares about income tax?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In all but the USA, it's the main tax most pay in the first
>>>>>>>>>>>> world. Only the unemployable dregs like you pay most
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the tax they pay in the VAT and fuel and sin taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's one of only 50 taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What matters is how much you pay in each one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> VAT is 20%! You will eventually spend all you earn,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Plenty of the better paid don't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nobody accumulates money forever.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plenty with a clue accumulate it till they stop working
>>>>>>>> and plenty accumulate it and hand it on to their kids too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If they don't spend it their descendants will.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plenty of their descendents arent stupid enough to spend it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If what you were saying was true, there would be an ever increasing
>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>> of people with huger and huger amounts of money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> so that's 20% which is significantly similar to the income tax
>>>>>>>>>>> rate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not with the better paid. Only the dregs of the labour market.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you're poor, you pay a low rate,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, the dregs mostly do pay just VAT and petrol and sin taxes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> if you're rich, you bend the rules and pay a low rate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not even possible for most of the better paid wage slaves.
>>>>>>>> Those pay a lot more than 20% income tax.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle things
>>>>>>> nicely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We werent discussing the really rich.
>>>>>
>>>>> We only pay more than 20% on anything we earn over £46,351. That's
>>>>> really rich buggers, I can't think of anyone earning that much. They
>>>>> can afford accountants to cheat.
>>>>
>>>> You're mixing in the wrong circles. One of my friends in the UK,
>>>> Folkestone to be precise, earns well over £100,000 per annum. Others
>>>> earn slightly lesser amounts. One of my friends here, until he retired
>>>> recently, was earning £150,000 for 6 months work. It has to be said,
>>>> both those aforementioned are highly qualified in their respective
>>>> fields.
>>>
>>> That's more than the prime minister gets paid. Nobody should be earning
>>> that much. The average UK wage is a fraction of that and we should all
>>> be paid a similar amount.
>>
>> Why? He is getting paid *what he is worth*. He put in the time and
>> effort studying and gaining experience on the ground to get where he is
>> and if people are willing to pay him appropriately for his work, then
>> that is up to him. I put in 12 years at uni and decades in trade
>> relevant study and qualifications but you think a labourer should get
>> the same pay as I? You need to get real.
>
> So while the labourer was toiling away, you were sat relaxing in a
> classroom.
For 12 years, yes, I was in a classroom but it was hardly relaxing. It
was also part time because, like most people, I had a day job, also
hardly relaxing. Prior to that I was working on equipment like this.
https://www.finning.com/content/dam/finning/en_ca/Images/Industr
es/Mining/Industries_Mining_Hero_Fleet.jpg?$cc-s$
along with these;
http://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/Caterpillar/CM20180215-48779-24452?$cc-s$
In places like this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Jz56jfbGI
The first part of the land the plane flies over is the town where I was
domiciled in Indonesia. Much larger town now and the plane was different
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