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From: rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 19:38:38 +0100, Rod Speed
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>> news:op.z3qi4kv4wdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 19:42:15 +0100, Rod Speed
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>> news:op.z3m4q52nwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 23:21:33 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:op.z3js2q0nwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 23:21:05 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:op.z3f02we1wdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 21:00:03 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:op.z3fo4yjpwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 17:05:48 +0100, Xeno
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/6/19 11:30 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 03:10:35 +0100, Xeno
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/6/19 8:59 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:06:13 +0100, Xeno
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/6/19 2:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 01:24:38 +0100, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:op.z28s84sjwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nicely.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We werent discussing the really rich.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We only pay more than 20% on anything we earn over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> £46,351.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really rich buggers, I can't think of anyone earning that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can afford accountants to cheat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're mixing in the wrong circles. One of my friends in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UK,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Folkestone to be precise, earns well over £100,000 per
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annum.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Others
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earn slightly lesser amounts. One of my friends here, until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently, was earning £150,000 for 6 months work. It has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both those aforementioned are highly qualified in their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respective
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's more than the prime minister gets paid. Nobody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that much. The average UK wage is a fraction of that and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be paid a similar amount.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why? He is getting paid *what he is worth*. He put in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort studying and gaining experience on the ground to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if people are willing to pay him appropriately for his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is up to him. I put in 12 years at uni and decades in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevant study and qualifications but you think a labourer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same pay as I? You need to get real.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't care what job you do, it's less important than running
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> entire country.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You tell that to the people who are looking for specific
>>>>>>>>>>>> skillsets.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to think the people are worth it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't those companies capable of just teaching their workers
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> do?
>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody could do the below when told how to. We should remove
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> education (especially when it's paid for by the taxes of people
>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> even have kids) and just have people learning on the job. Start
>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> plumber's mate, he shows you what he's doing, then you follow
>>>>>>>>>>> suit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't work when designing aircraft, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or even when doing a brexit either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or with doctors either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Never seen a student nurse?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They don't learn everything from the other nurse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They could
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, makes no sense at all to have 1/1 teaching with the theory.
>>>>>
>>>>> You could have 1 to 4. One nurse doing stuff to a patient, 4 watching.
>>>>
>>>> That's not the THEORY.
>>>
>>> There is only one thing to learn, knowledge.
>>
>> But its stupid to be teaching the theory 1/1 or even 1/4
>> That isnt how you got your degree.
> I would have learned faster with hands on experience.
Not with the THEORY you wouldn't.
> And in fact there was a fair amount of practicals.
Which never actually involved making a nuclear bomb etc for some odd reason.
There is plenty of medicine that isnt commonly seen even in
the 3-4 years the student nurse is still a student. They have
to understand the theory so that if they do see that effect when
they are a nurse, they can get a doctor to do something about
it or stop doing what produced that etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Like my mate, recently retired, who is an *inspector*. A
>>>>>>>>>>>> hazardous
>>>>>>>>>>>> area, gaseous environment inspector, to be precise. This is
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
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