XPost: alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism, talk.politics.guns   
   From: lunch@nofreelunch.us   
      
   On Fri, 17 May 2013 10:25:59 -0500, RD Sandman   
    wrote in alt.atheism:   
      
   >Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >news:q8ecp89mm9551f49598bpg671a3crfq49k@4ax.com:   
   >   
   >> On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:54:15 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>   
   >>>Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>news:kroap89c498pgk07js3e5cui1tq7od9edk@4ax.com:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:24:10 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>news:8fmap81ea903324epphsnlp94855m2l0o2@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:49:30 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>news:fb48p8h4dheale4uoutm46c91a0ni7p8qc@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:41:05 -0600, deep wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:47:25 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> And I believe Obama signed into law some $800 Billion of   
   >>>>>>>>>>> additional spending into that budget while he was President.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Since they had already budgeted more than they had in revenue   
   >>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't we calculate that entire amount added under Obama as   
   deficit   
   >>>>>>>>>>> spending?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>;)   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>Gee, and here I thought the budget was the responsiblity of the   
   >>>>>>>>>House of Representatives.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>Since when did The Executive write the budget?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> The budget is just a plan. It has never had any meaning for   
   >>>>>>>> congress, even if they pass it. The spending and tax bills are   
   >>>>>>>> supposed to try to match the budget that might have been passed,   
   >>>>>>>> but if they don't, no problem, only the spending and tax bills   
   >>>>>>>> become law.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>And when compared to the budget, become deficits and surpluses which   
   >>>>>>>add to the debt.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Indeed they do. One of the biggest concerns in the West right now is   
   >>>>>> that government spending has cut back too much, slowing the growth   
   >>>>>> of the US, giving the Eurozone another recession and leaving the UK   
   >>>>>> dead in the water. Deficits can be good or bad, depending on the   
   >>>>>> rest of the economy. The national debt is already a sunk cost and   
   >>>>>> can be generally ignored for short-term planning.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Well, European countries are free to donate as much money as they   
   >>>>>like. I'm sure the Obama can find something to spend it on. He   
   >>>>>certainly hasn't had trouble spending far more than we have.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at this time hurts   
   >>>> Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity supporters have demonstrated   
   >>>> their ignorance of economics.   
   >>>   
   >>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was there before the austerity   
   >>>measures were put into place to try and fix them.   
   >>   
   >> Austerity during a recession is one example of ignorance by political   
   >> leaders. There's plenty of other nonsense that many political leaders   
   >> believe, economic and otherwise. Reactionary leaders tend to believe the   
   >> most nonsense.   
   >   
   >The problem was that those countries were overspending on their GDP and   
   >had been for years.  It caught up with them.   
      
   Nope. The size of the government doesn't directly have anything to do   
   with how well a country is doing.   
      
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