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"Free Lunch" wrote in message
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> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:33:09 -0400, "Scout"
> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
>>
>>
>>"RD Sandman" wrote in message
>>news:XnsA1C355EB2227Fhopewell@216.196.121.131...
>>> Free Lunch wrote in
>>> news:q8ecp89mm9551f49598bpg671a3crfq49k@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:54:15 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>
>>>>>Free Lunch wrote in
>>>>>news:kroap89c498pgk07js3e5cui1tq7od9edk@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:24:10 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Free Lunch" wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:8fmap81ea903324epphsnlp94855m2l0o2@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:49:30 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Free Lunch wrote in
>>>>>>>>>news:fb48p8h4dheale4uoutm46c91a0ni7p8qc@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:41:05 -0600, deep wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:47:25 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I believe Obama signed into law some $800 Billion of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional spending into that budget while he was President.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since they had already budgeted more than they had in revenue
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't we calculate that entire amount added under Obama as
>>>>>>>>>deficit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>;)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Gee, and here I thought the budget was the responsiblity of the
>>>>>>>>>>>House of Representatives.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Since when did The Executive write the budget?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The budget is just a plan. It has never had any meaning for
>>>>>>>>>> congress, even if they pass it. The spending and tax bills are
>>>>>>>>>> supposed to try to match the budget that might have been passed,
>>>>>>>>>> but if they don't, no problem, only the spending and tax bills
>>>>>>>>>> become law.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And when compared to the budget, become deficits and surpluses
>>> which
>>>>>>>>>add to the debt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed they do. One of the biggest concerns in the West right now
>>> is
>>>>>>>> that government spending has cut back too much, slowing the growth
>>>>>>>> of the US, giving the Eurozone another recession and leaving the UK
>>>>>>>> dead in the water. Deficits can be good or bad, depending on the
>>>>>>>> rest of the economy. The national debt is already a sunk cost and
>>>>>>>> can be generally ignored for short-term planning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, European countries are free to donate as much money as they
>>>>>>>like. I'm sure the Obama can find something to spend it on. He
>>>>>>>certainly hasn't had trouble spending far more than we have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at this time
>>> hurts
>>>>>> Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity supporters have demonstrated
>>>>>> their ignorance of economics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was there before the austerity
>>>>>measures were put into place to try and fix them.
>>>>
>>>> Austerity during a recession is one example of ignorance by political
>>>> leaders. There's plenty of other nonsense that many political leaders
>>>> believe, economic and otherwise. Reactionary leaders tend to believe
>>> the
>>>> most nonsense.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The problem was that those countries were overspending on their GDP and
>>> had been for years. It caught up with them.
>>
>>Yea, and we're suppose to join them by continuing to overspend on ours.
>>Highest deficits in US history and he says they still aren't high enough.
>
> They were only highest in nominal dollar amounts. Raising taxes on the
> wealthy and raising spending will help the economy grow without
> increasing deficits.
And what happens when you run out of other people's money to steal?
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