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From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net
"Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message
news:hlwdjsd2-E073BB.21301317052013@news.giganews.com...
> In article <5nqdp8dpa5co20ajs7h50b00hvl2m2nhhm@4ax.com>,
> Free Lunch wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:39:54 -0400, "Scout"
>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Free Lunch" wrote in message
>> >news:4cecp8dtq2tp55eiijkqjor6ml83pj1oig@4ax.com...
>> >> On Thu, 16 May 2013 22:08:58 -0400, "Scout"
>> >> wrote in alt.atheism:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>"Free Lunch" wrote in message
>> >>>news:kroap89c498pgk07js3e5cui1tq7od9edk@4ax.com...
>> >>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:24:10 -0400, "Scout"
>> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>"Free Lunch" wrote in message
>> >>>>>news:8fmap81ea903324epphsnlp94855m2l0o2@4ax.com...
>> >>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:49:30 -0500, RD Sandman
>> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Free Lunch wrote in
>> >>>>>>>news:fb48p8h4dheale4uoutm46c91a0ni7p8qc@4ax.com:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:41:05 -0600, deep wrote in alt.atheism:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:47:25 -0500, RD Sandman
>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> And I believe Obama signed into law some $800 Billion of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> additional
>> >>>>>>>>>>> spending into that budget while he was President.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Since they had already budgeted more than they had in revenue
>> >>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't we calculate that entire amount added under Obama
>> >>>>>>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>deficit
>> >>>>>>>>>>> spending?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>;)
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>Gee, and here I thought the budget was the responsiblity of the
>> >>>>>>>>>House
>> >>>>>>>>>of Representatives.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>Since when did The Executive write the budget?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> The budget is just a plan. It has never had any meaning for
>> >>>>>>>> congress,
>> >>>>>>>> even if they pass it. The spending and tax bills are supposed to
>> >>>>>>>> try
>> >>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>> match the budget that might have been passed, but if they don't,
>> >>>>>>>> no
>> >>>>>>>> problem, only the spending and tax bills become law.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>And when compared to the budget, become deficits and surpluses
>> >>>>>>>which
>> >>>>>>>add
>> >>>>>>>to the debt.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Indeed they do. One of the biggest concerns in the West right now
>> >>>>>> is
>> >>>>>> that government spending has cut back too much, slowing the growth
>> >>>>>> of
>> >>>>>> the US, giving the Eurozone another recession and leaving the UK
>> >>>>>> dead
>> >>>>>> in
>> >>>>>> the water. Deficits can be good or bad, depending on the rest of
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> economy. The national debt is already a sunk cost and can be
>> >>>>>> generally
>> >>>>>> ignored for short-term planning.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Well, European countries are free to donate as much money as they
>> >>>>>like.
>> >>>>>I'm
>> >>>>>sure the Obama can find something to spend it on. He certainly
>> >>>>>hasn't
>> >>>>>had
>> >>>>>trouble spending far more than we have.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at this time
>> >>>> hurts
>> >>>> Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity supporters have demonstrated
>> >>>> their
>> >>>> ignorance of economics.
>> >>>
>> >>>I agree. Europe should borrow tons of money and give it to Obama so he
>> >>>can
>> >>>spend it.
>> >>>
>> >>>After all. Obama is already running the US into the ground at a rate
>> >>>of
>> >>>over
>> >>>$1 Trillion dollars a year. Surely Europe should be able to match that
>> >>>if
>> >>>they are really considered about declining US government spending.
>> >>>
>> >>>Now you were saying something about austerity?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> You keep reminding us that you understand nothing about economics or
>> >> about the US deficit.
>> >
>> >Oh, so you're telling us we need to be concerned with our massive
>> >deficits
>> >and that we need to reduce government spending drastically so that we
>> >won't
>> >run our economy into the ground with government debt and excessive
>> >taxation?
>>
>> America has already reduced its spending too fast to let the economy
>> recover properly. If you want to make the deficit smaller, raise taxes
>> on the wealthy.
>
> If it weren't for Bernanke, the recovery would be even slower.
>
> The economy needs to be infused with money.
Sure, and hyperinflation is certainly going to help out in turning around
the economy.
> The infrastructure of this
> country is graded D+.
Cite.
> Putting people to work puts lots of money into the
> economy.
Sure and pretty soon it might take you $100 to buy a couple of eggs.
Everyone a millionaire....and all but broke.
>The only entity with the money to put all those people to work
> is the federal government.
Hate to tell you this, but the federal government's in hock up to it's
eyeballs.
$16 trillion in debt and climbing rapidly.
Further under Obama is spending more money than we make. On the average a
household in the US makes about $50,500 per year. Under Obama the debt is
increasing at a rate of about $53,600 per household per year.
In short. We could give Obama EVERYTHING WE MAKE AND THAT STILL WOULDN'T
COVER HIS SPENDING.
So where exactly do you propose the government find this endless supply of
money you somehow think they have?
I mean hell, if they have that much money, then why don't they just send us
checks, and no one will need to work.
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