XPost: alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism, talk.politics.guns   
   From: lunch@nofreelunch.us   
      
   On Sat, 18 May 2013 00:16:17 -0400, "Scout"   
    wrote in alt.atheism:   
      
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   >"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >news:ikqdp8h0d18hbsh4fbo2pbpibf8can49fk@4ax.com...   
   >> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:33:09 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>>"RD Sandman"  wrote in message   
   >>>news:XnsA1C355EB2227Fhopewell@216.196.121.131...   
   >>>> Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>> news:q8ecp89mm9551f49598bpg671a3crfq49k@4ax.com:   
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   >>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:54:15 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>>>>news:kroap89c498pgk07js3e5cui1tq7od9edk@4ax.com:   
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   >>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:24:10 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>>>>>>>"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>news:8fmap81ea903324epphsnlp94855m2l0o2@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:49:30 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>news:fb48p8h4dheale4uoutm46c91a0ni7p8qc@4ax.com:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:41:05 -0600, deep wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:47:25 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I believe Obama signed into law some $800 Billion of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional spending into that budget while he was President.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since they had already budgeted more than they had in revenue   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't we calculate that entire amount added under Obama as   
   >>>>>>>>>>deficit   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>;)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>Gee, and here I thought the budget was the responsiblity of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>House of Representatives.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>Since when did The Executive write the budget?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> The budget is just a plan. It has never had any meaning for   
   >>>>>>>>>>> congress, even if they pass it. The spending and tax bills are   
   >>>>>>>>>>> supposed to try to match the budget that might have been passed,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> but if they don't, no problem, only the spending and tax bills   
   >>>>>>>>>>> become law.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>And when compared to the budget, become deficits and surpluses   
   >>>> which   
   >>>>>>>>>>add to the debt.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Indeed they do. One of the biggest concerns in the West right now   
   >>>> is   
   >>>>>>>>> that government spending has cut back too much, slowing the growth   
   >>>>>>>>> of the US, giving the Eurozone another recession and leaving the UK   
   >>>>>>>>> dead in the water. Deficits can be good or bad, depending on the   
   >>>>>>>>> rest of the economy. The national debt is already a sunk cost and   
   >>>>>>>>> can be generally ignored for short-term planning.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Well, European countries are free to donate as much money as they   
   >>>>>>>>like. I'm sure the Obama can find something to spend it on. He   
   >>>>>>>>certainly hasn't had trouble spending far more than we have.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at this time   
   >>>> hurts   
   >>>>>>> Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity supporters have demonstrated   
   >>>>>>> their ignorance of economics.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was there before the austerity   
   >>>>>>measures were put into place to try and fix them.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Austerity during a recession is one example of ignorance by political   
   >>>>> leaders. There's plenty of other nonsense that many political leaders   
   >>>>> believe, economic and otherwise. Reactionary leaders tend to believe   
   >>>> the   
   >>>>> most nonsense.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The problem was that those countries were overspending on their GDP and   
   >>>> had been for years.  It caught up with them.   
   >>>   
   >>>Yea, and we're suppose to join them by continuing to overspend on ours.   
   >>>Highest deficits in US history and he says they still aren't high enough.   
   >>   
   >> They were only highest in nominal dollar amounts. Raising taxes on the   
   >> wealthy and raising spending will help the economy grow without   
   >> increasing deficits.   
   >   
   >And what happens when you run out of other people's money to steal?   
   >   
   Collecting taxes is not stealing money, no matter what the crazy   
   reactionaries say.   
      
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