XPost: alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism, talk.politics.guns
From: kiltmac@gmail.com
On 5/18/2013 9:45 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:38:13 -0500, Tom McDonald
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/2013 9:26 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:06:21 -0500, Tom McDonald
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/18/2013 7:10 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 01:41:41 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:27:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:53:00 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:msucp8hn3utue1ujitm37me0hulmgdbdkq@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:20:43 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:16:09 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 15:10:26 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:37:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:31:32 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:29:38 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:28:56 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:17:42 -0600, deep wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:06:49 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at
this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time hurts Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity
supporters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have demonstrated their ignorance of economics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really, that ignorance of economics was there before
the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> austerity measures were put into place to try and fix them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austerity during a recession is one example of ignorance by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political leaders. There's plenty of other nonsense that
many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political leaders believe, economic and otherwise.
Reactionary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaders tend to believe the most nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem with austerity is it's only austerity for the
poor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and middle class. The wealthy get to have an orgy of rape of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the national treasuries. During periods of "austerity" the
top
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1% keeps getting richer and richer while the poor have to
learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to get by without things like food and medical care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny how the rich always do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny how you can't figure out why that might be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know why.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really? Because you claimed it was "funny" and I'm
guessing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you didn't think it was "ha ha" funny but that it was "Strangely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or suspiciously odd; curious" funny.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So it sounded like you didn't understand why rich people "always"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's because they have a lot of money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our alleged democracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't a democracy. Never has been. Perhaps your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstanding of our government is the source of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What are the first three words in the Constitution, bubbles?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with democracy, dumb shit? Do you even
>>>>>>>>>>> know what kind of government we have?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [crickets.wav]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, didn't think so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What are the first three words of the Constitution, bubbles? It's
not
>>>>>>>>>> a very hard question. Google it if you don't know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Completely irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The rest of the words very clearly demonstrate we're not a democracy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, there is very little difference between a republic and a
>>>>>>>> representative democracy. Too many people look at a democracy as only
>>>>>>>> being a pure democracy, a direct democracy, etc to realize that there
is
>>>>>>>> also a representative democracy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not a representative democracy either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Course it is. Ever hear of the House of Representatives?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep. It's not a democracy. It was in all the papers.
>>>>>
>>>> Democracy: 1. Government by the people; government in which the supreme
>>>> power is retained by the people and exercised either directly
>>>> (*absolute* or *pure democracy*) or indirectly (*representative
>>>> democracy*) through a system of representation.
>>>>
>>>> 2. A community or state so governed.
>>>>
>>>> Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Fifth Edition, 1937.
>>>>
>>>> Yup, we're a democracy. It's in all the dictionaries.
>>>
>>> Nope. The people don't wield supreme power.
>>>
>> Then who does, in your estimable estimation?
>
>
> OK, it's pretty clear you people were sleeping during sixth grade
> government........
And you were sleeping during the period when you would have been taught
to attribute your sources.
Plus, of course, you are trying to differentiate between a republican
form of democracy and a pure form of democracy. The definition I gave
already made room for that distinction.
Perhaps you could answer my question directly now:
"Then who does, in your estimable estimation [wield supreme power]?"
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