XPost: alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism, talk.politics.guns   
   From: lunch@nofreelunch.us   
      
   On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:09:01 -0500, RD Sandman   
    wrote in alt.atheism:   
      
   >Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >news:ikqdp8h0d18hbsh4fbo2pbpibf8can49fk@4ax.com:   
   >   
   >> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:33:09 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>"RD Sandman"  wrote in message   
   >>>news:XnsA1C355EB2227Fhopewell@216.196.121.131...   
   >>>> Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>> news:q8ecp89mm9551f49598bpg671a3crfq49k@4ax.com:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:54:15 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>>>>news:kroap89c498pgk07js3e5cui1tq7od9edk@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:24:10 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>news:8fmap81ea903324epphsnlp94855m2l0o2@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:49:30 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>news:fb48p8h4dheale4uoutm46c91a0ni7p8qc@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:41:05 -0600, deep wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:47:25 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I believe Obama signed into law some $800 Billion of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional spending into that budget while he was   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> President.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since they had already budgeted more than they had in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> revenue shouldn't we calculate that entire amount added   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under Obama as   
   >>>>>>>>>>deficit   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>;)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>Gee, and here I thought the budget was the responsiblity of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>the House of Representatives.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>Since when did The Executive write the budget?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> The budget is just a plan. It has never had any meaning for   
   >>>>>>>>>>> congress, even if they pass it. The spending and tax bills   
   >>>>>>>>>>> are supposed to try to match the budget that might have been   
   >>>>>>>>>>> passed, but if they don't, no problem, only the spending and   
   >>>>>>>>>>> tax bills become law.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>And when compared to the budget, become deficits and surpluses   
   >>>> which   
   >>>>>>>>>>add to the debt.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Indeed they do. One of the biggest concerns in the West right   
   >>>>>>>>> now   
   >>>> is   
   >>>>>>>>> that government spending has cut back too much, slowing the   
   >>>>>>>>> growth of the US, giving the Eurozone another recession and   
   >>>>>>>>> leaving the UK dead in the water. Deficits can be good or bad,   
   >>>>>>>>> depending on the rest of the economy. The national debt is   
   >>>>>>>>> already a sunk cost and can be generally ignored for short-term   
   >>>>>>>>> planning.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Well, European countries are free to donate as much money as they   
   >>>>>>>>like. I'm sure the Obama can find something to spend it on. He   
   >>>>>>>>certainly hasn't had trouble spending far more than we have.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at this time   
   >>>> hurts   
   >>>>>>> Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity supporters have   
   >>>>>>> demonstrated their ignorance of economics.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was there before the   
   >>>>>>austerity measures were put into place to try and fix them.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Austerity during a recession is one example of ignorance by   
   >>>>> political leaders. There's plenty of other nonsense that many   
   >>>>> political leaders believe, economic and otherwise. Reactionary   
   >>>>> leaders tend to believe   
   >>>> the   
   >>>>> most nonsense.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The problem was that those countries were overspending on their GDP   
   >>>> and had been for years.  It caught up with them.   
   >>>   
   >>>Yea, and we're suppose to join them by continuing to overspend on   
   >>>ours. Highest deficits in US history and he says they still aren't   
   >>>high enough.   
   >>   
   >> They were only highest in nominal dollar amounts. Raising taxes on the   
   >> wealthy and raising spending will help the economy grow without   
   >> increasing deficits.   
   >>   
   >   
   >The wealthy are already carrying their burden based on wealth, total net   
   >worth and income.   
      
   Nope.   
      
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