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From: klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com
On Sat, 18 May 2013 10:00:09 -0500, Tom McDonald
wrote:
>On 5/18/2013 9:45 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:38:13 -0500, Tom McDonald
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/18/2013 9:26 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:06:21 -0500, Tom McDonald
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/18/2013 7:10 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 01:41:41 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:27:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:53:00 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:msucp8hn3utue1ujitm37me0hulmgdbdkq@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:20:43 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:16:09 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 15:10:26 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:37:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:31:32 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:29:38 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:28:56 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:17:42 -0600, deep wrote in
alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:06:49 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at
this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time hurts Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity
supporters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have demonstrated their ignorance of economics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really, that ignorance of economics was there before
the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> austerity measures were put into place to try and fix
them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austerity during a recession is one example of ignorance by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political leaders. There's plenty of other nonsense that
many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political leaders believe, economic and otherwise.
Reactionary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaders tend to believe the most nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem with austerity is it's only austerity for the
poor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and middle class. The wealthy get to have an orgy of rape
of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the national treasuries. During periods of "austerity" the
top
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1% keeps getting richer and richer while the poor have to
learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to get by without things like food and medical care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny how the rich always do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny how you can't figure out why that might be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know why.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really? Because you claimed it was "funny" and I'm
guessing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you didn't think it was "ha ha" funny but that it was "Strangely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or suspiciously odd; curious" funny.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So it sounded like you didn't understand why rich people
"always"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's because they have a lot of money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our alleged democracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't a democracy. Never has been. Perhaps your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstanding of our government is the source of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What are the first three words in the Constitution, bubbles?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with democracy, dumb shit? Do you even
>>>>>>>>>>>> know what kind of government we have?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [crickets.wav]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, didn't think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What are the first three words of the Constitution, bubbles? It's
not
>>>>>>>>>>> a very hard question. Google it if you don't know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Completely irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The rest of the words very clearly demonstrate we're not a
democracy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually, there is very little difference between a republic and a
>>>>>>>>> representative democracy. Too many people look at a democracy as
only
>>>>>>>>> being a pure democracy, a direct democracy, etc to realize that
there is
>>>>>>>>> also a representative democracy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not a representative democracy either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Course it is. Ever hear of the House of Representatives?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep. It's not a democracy. It was in all the papers.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Democracy: 1. Government by the people; government in which the supreme
>>>>> power is retained by the people and exercised either directly
>>>>> (*absolute* or *pure democracy*) or indirectly (*representative
>>>>> democracy*) through a system of representation.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. A community or state so governed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Fifth Edition, 1937.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup, we're a democracy. It's in all the dictionaries.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. The people don't wield supreme power.
>>>>
>>> Then who does, in your estimable estimation?
>>
>>
>> OK, it's pretty clear you people were sleeping during sixth grade
>> government........
>
>And you were sleeping during the period when you would have been taught
>to attribute your sources.
>
>Plus, of course, you are trying to differentiate between a republican
>form of democracy and a pure form of democracy. The definition I gave
>already made room for that distinction.
Of COURSE you did. We call that a "Goal post move."
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