XPost: alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism, talk.politics.guns
From: klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com
On Sat, 18 May 2013 10:56:54 -0500, RD Sandman
wrote:
>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>news:6nidp81n29u4ifrisef17o100i5lik28oe@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:53:00 -0500, RD Sandman
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>>>news:msucp8hn3utue1ujitm37me0hulmgdbdkq@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:20:43 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:16:09 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 15:10:26 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:37:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:31:32 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:29:38 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:28:56 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:17:42 -0600, deep wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:06:49 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at
>this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time hurts Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity
>supporters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have demonstrated their ignorance of economics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was there before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>austerity measures were put into place to try and fix them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Austerity during a recession is one example of ignorance by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>political leaders. There's plenty of other nonsense that many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>political leaders believe, economic and otherwise.
>Reactionary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>leaders tend to believe the most nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The problem with austerity is it's only austerity for the poor
>>>>>>>>>>>>and middle class. The wealthy get to have an orgy of rape of
>>>>>>>>>>>>the national treasuries. During periods of "austerity" the
>top
>>>>>>>>>>>>1% keeps getting richer and richer while the poor have to
>learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>how to get by without things like food and medical care.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Funny how the rich always do well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Funny how you can't figure out why that might be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I know why.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you really? Because you claimed it was "funny" and I'm
>guessing
>>>>>>>> you didn't think it was "ha ha" funny but that it was "Strangely
>>>>>>>> or suspiciously odd; curious" funny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So it sounded like you didn't understand why rich people "always"
>>>>>>>> do well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's because they have a lot of money.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Our alleged democracy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This isn't a democracy. Never has been. Perhaps your
>>>>>>>> misunderstanding of our government is the source of your
>>>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What are the first three words in the Constitution, bubbles?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does that have to do with democracy, dumb shit? Do you even
>>>>>> know what kind of government we have?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [crickets.wav]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, didn't think so.
>>>>>
>>>>>What are the first three words of the Constitution, bubbles?
>>>>>It's not a very hard question. Google it if you don't know.
>>>>
>>>> Completely irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>> The rest of the words very clearly demonstrate we're not a democracy.
>>>
>>>Actually, there is very little difference between a republic and a
>>>representative democracy. Too many people look at a democracy as only
>>>being a pure democracy, a direct democracy, etc to realize that there
>is
>>>also a representative democracy.
>>
>> It's not a representative democracy either.
>>
>>
>
>It is referred to as a Constitutional Republic but take all the screens
>you need to show the difference between that and a representative
>democracy.
One screen should do it.
An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic
It is important to keep in mind the difference between a Democracy and
a Republic, as dissimilar forms of government. Understanding the
difference is essential to comprehension of the fundamentals involved.
It should be noted, in passing, that use of the word Democracy as
meaning merely the popular type of government--that is, featuring
genuinely free elections by the people periodically--is not helpful in
discussing, as here, the difference between alternative and dissimilar
forms of a popular government: a Democracy versus a Republic. This
double meaning of Democracy--a popular-type government in general, as
well as a specific form of popular government--needs to be made clear
in any discussion, or writing, regarding this subject, for the sake of
sound understanding.
These two forms of government: Democracy and Republic, are not only
dissimilar but antithetical, reflecting the sharp contrast between (a)
The Majority Unlimited, in a Democracy, lacking any legal safeguard of
the rights of The Individual and The Minority, and (b) The Majority
Limited, in a Republic under a written Constitution safeguarding the
rights of The Individual and The Minority; as we shall now see.
A Democracy
The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is:
Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any
group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection
against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of
Majority-over-Man.
This is true whether it be a Direct Democracy, or a Representative
Democracy. In the direct type, applicable only to a small number of
people as in the little city-states of ancient Greece, or in a New
England town-meeting, all of the electorate assemble to debate and
decide all government questions, and all decisions are reached by a
majority vote (of at least half-plus-one). Decisions of The Majority
in a New England town-meeting are, of course, subject to the
Constitutions of the State and of the United States which protect The
Individual’s rights; so, in this case, The Majority is not
omnipotent and such a town-meeting is, therefore, not an example of a
true Direct Democracy. Under a Representative Democracy like
Britain’s parliamentary form of government, the people elect
representatives to the national legislature--the elective body there
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