XPost: alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism, talk.politics.guns   
   From: kiltmac@gmail.com   
      
   On 5/18/2013 11:17 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   > On Sat, 18 May 2013 10:00:09 -0500, Tom McDonald    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 5/18/2013 9:45 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:38:13 -0500, Tom McDonald    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 5/18/2013 9:26 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:06:21 -0500, Tom McDonald    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 5/18/2013 7:10 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 01:41:41 +0000 (UTC), Zepp  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:27:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:53:00 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>> news:msucp8hn3utue1ujitm37me0hulmgdbdkq@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:20:43 +0000 (UTC), Zepp    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:16:09 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 15:10:26 +0000 (UTC), Zepp    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:37:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:31:32 -0500, Free Lunch   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:29:38 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:28:56 -0500, Free Lunch   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:17:42 -0600, deep wrote in   
   alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:06:49 -0500, Free Lunch   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at   
   this   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time hurts Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity   
   supporters   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have demonstrated their ignorance of economics.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really, that ignorance of economics was there before   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> austerity measures were put into place to try and fix   
   them.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austerity during a recession is one example of ignorance   
   by   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political leaders. There's plenty of other nonsense that   
   many   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political leaders believe, economic and otherwise.   
   Reactionary   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaders tend to believe the most nonsense.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem with austerity is it's only austerity for the   
   poor   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and middle class.  The wealthy get to have an orgy of rape   
   of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the national treasuries.  During periods of "austerity"   
   the top   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1% keeps getting richer and richer while the poor have to   
   learn   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to get by without things like food and medical care.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny how the rich always do well.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny how you can't figure out why that might be.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know why.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really? Because you claimed it was "funny" and I'm   
   guessing   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you didn't think it was "ha ha" funny but that it was   
   "Strangely   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or suspiciously odd; curious" funny.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So it sounded like you didn't understand why rich people   
   "always"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do well.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's because they have a lot of money.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our alleged democracy   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't a democracy. Never has been. Perhaps your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstanding of our government is the source of your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What are the first three words in the Constitution, bubbles?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with democracy, dumb shit? Do you even   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> know what kind of government we have?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>               [crickets.wav]   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, didn't think so.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> What are the first three words of the Constitution, bubbles? It's   
   not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> a very hard question. Google it if you don't know.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Completely irrelevant.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> The rest of the words very clearly demonstrate we're not a   
   democracy.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Actually, there is very little difference between a republic and a   
   >>>>>>>>>> representative democracy.  Too many people look at a democracy as   
   only   
   >>>>>>>>>> being a pure democracy, a direct democracy, etc to realize that   
   there is   
   >>>>>>>>>> also a representative democracy.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> It's not a representative democracy either.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> 'Course it is. Ever hear of the House of Representatives?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Yep. It's not a democracy. It was in all the papers.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Democracy: 1. Government by the people; government in which the supreme   
   >>>>>> power is retained by the people and exercised either directly   
   >>>>>> (*absolute* or *pure democracy*) or indirectly (*representative   
   >>>>>> democracy*) through a system of representation.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> 2. A community or state so governed.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Fifth Edition, 1937.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Yup, we're a democracy. It's in all the dictionaries.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Nope. The people don't wield supreme power.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> Then who does, in your estimable estimation?   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> OK, it's pretty clear you people were sleeping during sixth grade   
   >>> government........   
   >>   
   >> And you were sleeping during the period when you would have been taught   
   >> to attribute your sources.   
   >>   
   >> Plus, of course, you are trying to differentiate between a republican   
   >> form of democracy and a pure form of democracy. The definition I gave   
   >> already made room for that distinction.   
   >   
   > Of COURSE you did. We call that a "Goal post move."   
   >   
   So do you think that simply by snipping without noting the fact that the   
   question I asked goes away? It's right above. Here, I'll ask it again:   
      
   "Then who does, in your estimable estimation [hold supreme power]?"   
      
   Do try to be an honest person.   
      
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