XPost: alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism, talk.politics.guns   
   From: klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com   
      
   On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:25:24 -0500, Tom McDonald    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 5/18/2013 11:17 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >> On Sat, 18 May 2013 10:00:09 -0500, Tom McDonald    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 5/18/2013 9:45 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:38:13 -0500, Tom McDonald    
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On 5/18/2013 9:26 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:06:21 -0500, Tom McDonald    
   >>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 5/18/2013 7:10 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 01:41:41 +0000 (UTC), Zepp  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:27:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:53:00 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>> news:msucp8hn3utue1ujitm37me0hulmgdbdkq@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:20:43 +0000 (UTC), Zepp    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:16:09 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 15:10:26 +0000 (UTC), Zepp    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:37:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:31:32 -0500, Free Lunch   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:29:38 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:28:56 -0500, Free Lunch   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:17:42 -0600, deep wrote in   
   alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:06:49 -0500, Free Lunch   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at   
   this   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time hurts Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity   
   supporters   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have demonstrated their ignorance of economics.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really, that ignorance of economics was there   
   before the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> austerity measures were put into place to try and fix   
   them.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austerity during a recession is one example of ignorance   
   by   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political leaders. There's plenty of other nonsense that   
   many   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political leaders believe, economic and otherwise.   
   Reactionary   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaders tend to believe the most nonsense.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem with austerity is it's only austerity for the   
   poor   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and middle class.  The wealthy get to have an orgy of   
   rape of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the national treasuries.  During periods of "austerity"   
   the top   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1% keeps getting richer and richer while the poor have to   
   learn   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to get by without things like food and medical care.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny how the rich always do well.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny how you can't figure out why that might be.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know why.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really? Because you claimed it was "funny" and I'm   
   guessing   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you didn't think it was "ha ha" funny but that it was   
   "Strangely   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or suspiciously odd; curious" funny.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So it sounded like you didn't understand why rich people   
   "always"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do well.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's because they have a lot of money.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our alleged democracy   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't a democracy. Never has been. Perhaps your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstanding of our government is the source of your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What are the first three words in the Constitution, bubbles?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with democracy, dumb shit? Do you even   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> know what kind of government we have?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>               [crickets.wav]   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, didn't think so.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> What are the first three words of the Constitution, bubbles?   
   It's not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> a very hard question. Google it if you don't know.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Completely irrelevant.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> The rest of the words very clearly demonstrate we're not a   
   democracy.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Actually, there is very little difference between a republic and a   
   >>>>>>>>>>> representative democracy.  Too many people look at a democracy as   
   only   
   >>>>>>>>>>> being a pure democracy, a direct democracy, etc to realize that   
   there is   
   >>>>>>>>>>> also a representative democracy.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> It's not a representative democracy either.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> 'Course it is. Ever hear of the House of Representatives?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Yep. It's not a democracy. It was in all the papers.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Democracy: 1. Government by the people; government in which the supreme   
   >>>>>>> power is retained by the people and exercised either directly   
   >>>>>>> (*absolute* or *pure democracy*) or indirectly (*representative   
   >>>>>>> democracy*) through a system of representation.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> 2. A community or state so governed.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Fifth Edition, 1937.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Yup, we're a democracy. It's in all the dictionaries.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Nope. The people don't wield supreme power.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> Then who does, in your estimable estimation?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> OK, it's pretty clear you people were sleeping during sixth grade   
   >>>> government........   
   >>>   
   >>> And you were sleeping during the period when you would have been taught   
   >>> to attribute your sources.   
   >>>   
   >>> Plus, of course, you are trying to differentiate between a republican   
   >>> form of democracy and a pure form of democracy. The definition I gave   
   >>> already made room for that distinction.   
   >>   
   >> Of COURSE you did. We call that a "Goal post move."   
   >>   
   >So do you think that simply by snipping without noting the fact that the   
      
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