XPost: alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism, talk.politics.guns   
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   On Sat, 18 May 2013 07:45:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
      
   > On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:38:13 -0500, Tom McDonald    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>On 5/18/2013 9:26 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:06:21 -0500, Tom McDonald    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 5/18/2013 7:10 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 01:41:41 +0000 (UTC), Zepp    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:27:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:53:00 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>> news:msucp8hn3utue1ujitm37me0hulmgdbdkq@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:20:43 +0000 (UTC), Zepp    
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:16:09 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 15:10:26 +0000 (UTC), Zepp    
   >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:37:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:31:32 -0500, Free Lunch   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:29:38 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:28:56 -0500, Free Lunch   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:17:42 -0600, deep wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:06:49 -0500, Free Lunch   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at this time hurts Europe and it hurts the US.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austerity supporters have demonstrated their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance of economics.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really, that ignorance of economics was there   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before the austerity measures were put into place to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try and fix them.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austerity during a recession is one example of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance by political leaders. There's plenty of other   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense that many political leaders believe, economic   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and otherwise. Reactionary leaders tend to believe the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most nonsense.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem with austerity is it's only austerity for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the poor and middle class.  The wealthy get to have an   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orgy of rape of the national treasuries.  During periods   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "austerity" the top 1% keeps getting richer and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> richer while the poor have to learn how to get by   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without things like food and medical care.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny how the rich always do well.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny how you can't figure out why that might be.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know why.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really? Because you claimed it was "funny" and I'm   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing you didn't think it was "ha ha" funny but that it   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> was "Strangely or suspiciously odd; curious" funny.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> So it sounded like you didn't understand why rich people   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> "always" do well.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's because they have a lot of money.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our alleged democracy   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't a democracy. Never has been. Perhaps your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstanding of our government is the source of your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> What are the first three words in the Constitution, bubbles?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with democracy, dumb shit? Do you   
   >>>>>>>>>>> even know what kind of government we have?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>             [crickets.wav]   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, didn't think so.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> What are the first three words of the Constitution, bubbles?   
   >>>>>>>>>> It's not a very hard question. Google it if you don't know.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Completely irrelevant.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> The rest of the words very clearly demonstrate we're not a   
   >>>>>>>>> democracy.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Actually, there is very little difference between a republic and   
   >>>>>>>> a representative democracy.  Too many people look at a democracy   
   >>>>>>>> as only being a pure democracy, a direct democracy, etc to   
   >>>>>>>> realize that there is also a representative democracy.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> It's not a representative democracy either.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> 'Course it is. Ever hear of the House of Representatives?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Yep. It's not a democracy. It was in all the papers.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> Democracy: 1. Government by the people; government in which the   
   >>>> supreme power is retained by the people and exercised either directly   
   >>>> (*absolute* or *pure democracy*) or indirectly (*representative   
   >>>> democracy*) through a system of representation.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 2. A community or state so governed.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Fifth Edition, 1937.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Yup, we're a democracy. It's in all the dictionaries.   
   >>>   
   >>> Nope. The people don't wield supreme power.   
   >>>   
   >>Then who does, in your estimable estimation?   
   >   
   >   
   > OK, it's pretty clear you people were sleeping during sixth grade   
   > government........   
   >   
   > s the United States a democracy?   
   > The Pledge of Allegiance includes the phrase: "and to the republic for   
   > which it stands." Is the United States of America a republic? I always   
   > thought it was a democracy? What's the difference between the two?   
      
   It appears you never graduated from sixth grade government.  Quite aside   
   from the fact that the pledge came along over a hundred years after the   
   Constitution was enacted, there's also the fact that a Republic is just   
   any modern nation-state that isn't a monarchy or theocracy.  Usually, but   
   not always, sovereignty lies with the people, and when it does, that's   
   called a democracy.  In America, sovereignty lies with the people.   
   Therefore it is a democracy.   
      
   And it is also a republic.   
   >   
   > The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy.   
      
      
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