XPost: alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism, talk.politics.guns
From: klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com
On Sat, 18 May 2013 16:49:35 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>On Sat, 18 May 2013 07:45:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:38:13 -0500, Tom McDonald
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 5/18/2013 9:26 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:06:21 -0500, Tom McDonald
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/18/2013 7:10 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 01:41:41 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:27:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:53:00 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:msucp8hn3utue1ujitm37me0hulmgdbdkq@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:20:43 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:16:09 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 15:10:26 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:37:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:31:32 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:29:38 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:28:56 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:17:42 -0600, deep wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:06:49 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at this time hurts Europe and it hurts the US.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austerity supporters have demonstrated their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance of economics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really, that ignorance of economics was there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before the austerity measures were put into place to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try and fix them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austerity during a recession is one example of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance by political leaders. There's plenty of other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense that many political leaders believe, economic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and otherwise. Reactionary leaders tend to believe the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem with austerity is it's only austerity for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the poor and middle class. The wealthy get to have an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orgy of rape of the national treasuries. During periods
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "austerity" the top 1% keeps getting richer and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> richer while the poor have to learn how to get by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without things like food and medical care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny how the rich always do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny how you can't figure out why that might be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know why.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really? Because you claimed it was "funny" and I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing you didn't think it was "ha ha" funny but that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was "Strangely or suspiciously odd; curious" funny.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So it sounded like you didn't understand why rich people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "always" do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's because they have a lot of money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our alleged democracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't a democracy. Never has been. Perhaps your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstanding of our government is the source of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What are the first three words in the Constitution, bubbles?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with democracy, dumb shit? Do you
>>>>>>>>>>>> even know what kind of government we have?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [crickets.wav]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, didn't think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What are the first three words of the Constitution, bubbles?
>>>>>>>>>>> It's not a very hard question. Google it if you don't know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Completely irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The rest of the words very clearly demonstrate we're not a
>>>>>>>>>> democracy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually, there is very little difference between a republic and
>>>>>>>>> a representative democracy. Too many people look at a democracy
>>>>>>>>> as only being a pure democracy, a direct democracy, etc to
>>>>>>>>> realize that there is also a representative democracy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not a representative democracy either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Course it is. Ever hear of the House of Representatives?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep. It's not a democracy. It was in all the papers.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Democracy: 1. Government by the people; government in which the
>>>>> supreme power is retained by the people and exercised either directly
>>>>> (*absolute* or *pure democracy*) or indirectly (*representative
>>>>> democracy*) through a system of representation.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. A community or state so governed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Fifth Edition, 1937.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup, we're a democracy. It's in all the dictionaries.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. The people don't wield supreme power.
>>>>
>>>Then who does, in your estimable estimation?
>>
>>
>> OK, it's pretty clear you people were sleeping during sixth grade
>> government........
>>
>> s the United States a democracy?
>> The Pledge of Allegiance includes the phrase: "and to the republic for
>> which it stands." Is the United States of America a republic? I always
>> thought it was a democracy? What's the difference between the two?
>
>It appears you never graduated from sixth grade government. Quite aside
>from the fact that the pledge came along over a hundred years after the
>Constitution was enacted
Um, the article made no claim that we were founded on the POA, nor did
it allude to it being one of the founding documents.
It was merely an illustration. Clearly, this concept can't be broken
down in terms simple enough for you to understand.
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