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On Sat, 18 May 2013 13:18:22 -0500, RD Sandman wrote:
> Free Lunch wrote in
> news:49afp8hs0ndf4b24ev4c3iu53roqq1abg5@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:11:52 -0500, RD Sandman
>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>>>Free Lunch wrote in
>>>news:vavep8huemgub4ageifkev579pnflfk0tm@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 00:16:17 -0400, "Scout"
>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Free Lunch" wrote in message
>>>>>news:ikqdp8h0d18hbsh4fbo2pbpibf8can49fk@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:33:09 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"RD Sandman" wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:XnsA1C355EB2227Fhopewell@216.196.121.131...
>>>>>>>> Free Lunch wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:q8ecp89mm9551f49598bpg671a3crfq49k@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:54:15 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Free Lunch wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>news:kroap89c498pgk07js3e5cui1tq7od9edk@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:24:10 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Free Lunch" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>news:8fmap81ea903324epphsnlp94855m2l0o2@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:49:30 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Free Lunch wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:fb48p8h4dheale4uoutm46c91a0ni7p8qc@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:41:05 -0600, deep wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:47:25 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I believe Obama signed into law some $800 Billion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of additional spending into that budget while he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since they had already budgeted more than they had in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revenue shouldn't we calculate that entire amount added
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under Obama as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deficit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gee, and here I thought the budget was the responsiblity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of the House of Representatives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Since when did The Executive write the budget?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The budget is just a plan. It has never had any meaning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for congress, even if they pass it. The spending and tax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bills are supposed to try to match the budget that might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been passed, but if they don't, no problem, only the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending and tax bills become law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And when compared to the budget, become deficits and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>surpluses
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>add to the debt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed they do. One of the biggest concerns in the West
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that government spending has cut back too much, slowing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> growth of the US, giving the Eurozone another recession and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaving the UK dead in the water. Deficits can be good or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad, depending on the rest of the economy. The national debt
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is already a sunk cost and can be generally ignored for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> short-term planning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, European countries are free to donate as much money as
>>>>>>>>>>>>they like. I'm sure the Obama can find something to spend it
>>>>>>>>>>>>on. He certainly hasn't had trouble spending far more than we
>>>>>>>>>>>>have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at this
>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> hurts
>>>>>>>>>>> Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity supporters have
>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrated their ignorance of economics.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was there before the
>>>>>>>>>>austerity measures were put into place to try and fix them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Austerity during a recession is one example of ignorance by
>>>>>>>>> political leaders. There's plenty of other nonsense that many
>>>>>>>>> political leaders believe, economic and otherwise. Reactionary
>>>>>>>>> leaders tend to believe
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> most nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The problem was that those countries were overspending on their
>>>>>>>> GDP and had been for years. It caught up with them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yea, and we're suppose to join them by continuing to overspend on
>>>>>>>ours. Highest deficits in US history and he says they still aren't
>>>>>>>high enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They were only highest in nominal dollar amounts. Raising taxes on
>>>>>> the wealthy and raising spending will help the economy grow without
>>>>>> increasing deficits.
>>>>>
>>>>>And what happens when you run out of other people's money to steal?
>>>>>
>>>> Collecting taxes is not stealing money, no matter what the crazy
>>>> reactionaries say.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Then there should be no problem raising EVERYBODY's taxes, including
>>>that bottom 47%. Everybody should have some skin in the game.
>>
>> They all pay taxes.
>>
>>
> Not income taxes and for some the taxes that they pay is simply
> returning money to the government where it came from.
Like all police, most firemen, and all soldiers?
Those fuckin' deadbeats!
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