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   From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net   
      
   "Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   news:49afp8hs0ndf4b24ev4c3iu53roqq1abg5@4ax.com...   
   > On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:11:52 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >   
   >>Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>news:vavep8huemgub4ageifkev579pnflfk0tm@4ax.com:   
   >>   
   >>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 00:16:17 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>>>"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >>>>news:ikqdp8h0d18hbsh4fbo2pbpibf8can49fk@4ax.com...   
   >>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:33:09 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>   
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   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>"RD Sandman"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>news:XnsA1C355EB2227Fhopewell@216.196.121.131...   
   >>>>>>> Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>>>>> news:q8ecp89mm9551f49598bpg671a3crfq49k@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:54:15 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>news:kroap89c498pgk07js3e5cui1tq7od9edk@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:24:10 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>>>>>>>>>  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>news:8fmap81ea903324epphsnlp94855m2l0o2@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:49:30 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>news:fb48p8h4dheale4uoutm46c91a0ni7p8qc@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:41:05 -0600, deep wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:47:25 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I believe Obama signed into law some $800 Billion of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional spending into that budget while he was   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since they had already budgeted more than they had in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revenue shouldn't we calculate that entire amount added   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under Obama as   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>deficit   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>;)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gee, and here I thought the budget was the responsiblity of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the House of Representatives.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Since when did The Executive write the budget?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The budget is just a plan. It has never had any meaning for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> congress, even if they pass it. The spending and tax bills   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are supposed to try to match the budget that might have   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> been passed, but if they don't, no problem, only the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending and tax bills become law.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>And when compared to the budget, become deficits and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>surpluses   
   >>>>>>> which   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>add to the debt.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed they do. One of the biggest concerns in the West right   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> now   
   >>>>>>> is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> that government spending has cut back too much, slowing the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> growth of the US, giving the Eurozone another recession and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> leaving the UK dead in the water. Deficits can be good or   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> bad, depending on the rest of the economy. The national debt   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> is already a sunk cost and can be generally ignored for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> short-term planning.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>Well, European countries are free to donate as much money as   
   >>>>>>>>>>>they like. I'm sure the Obama can find something to spend it   
   >>>>>>>>>>>on. He certainly hasn't had trouble spending far more than we   
   >>>>>>>>>>>have.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at this   
   >>>>>>>>>> time   
   >>>>>>> hurts   
   >>>>>>>>>> Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity supporters have   
   >>>>>>>>>> demonstrated their ignorance of economics.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was there before the   
   >>>>>>>>>austerity measures were put into place to try and fix them.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Austerity during a recession is one example of ignorance by   
   >>>>>>>> political leaders. There's plenty of other nonsense that many   
   >>>>>>>> political leaders believe, economic and otherwise. Reactionary   
   >>>>>>>> leaders tend to believe   
   >>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>> most nonsense.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The problem was that those countries were overspending on their   
   >>>>>>> GDP and had been for years.  It caught up with them.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Yea, and we're suppose to join them by continuing to overspend on   
   >>>>>>ours. Highest deficits in US history and he says they still aren't   
   >>>>>>high enough.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> They were only highest in nominal dollar amounts. Raising taxes on   
   >>>>> the wealthy and raising spending will help the economy grow without   
   >>>>> increasing deficits.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>And what happens when you run out of other people's money to steal?   
   >>>>   
   >>> Collecting taxes is not stealing money, no matter what the crazy   
   >>> reactionaries say.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>Then there should be no problem raising EVERYBODY's taxes, including that   
   >>bottom 47%.  Everybody should have some skin in the game.   
   >   
   > They all pay taxes.   
      
   Including federal income taxes?   
      
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