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   From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net   
      
   "Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   news:vavep8huemgub4ageifkev579pnflfk0tm@4ax.com...   
   > On Sat, 18 May 2013 00:16:17 -0400, "Scout"   
   >  wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >>news:ikqdp8h0d18hbsh4fbo2pbpibf8can49fk@4ax.com...   
   >>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:33:09 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>>>"RD Sandman"  wrote in message   
   >>>>news:XnsA1C355EB2227Fhopewell@216.196.121.131...   
   >>>>> Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>>> news:q8ecp89mm9551f49598bpg671a3crfq49k@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:54:15 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>news:kroap89c498pgk07js3e5cui1tq7od9edk@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:24:10 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>>>>>>>>"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>news:8fmap81ea903324epphsnlp94855m2l0o2@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:49:30 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>news:fb48p8h4dheale4uoutm46c91a0ni7p8qc@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:41:05 -0600, deep wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:47:25 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I believe Obama signed into law some $800 Billion of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional spending into that budget while he was President.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since they had already budgeted more than they had in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revenue   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't we calculate that entire amount added under Obama   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as   
   >>>>>>>>>>>deficit   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>;)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>Gee, and here I thought the budget was the responsiblity of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>House of Representatives.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>Since when did The Executive write the budget?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> The budget is just a plan. It has never had any meaning for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> congress, even if they pass it. The spending and tax bills are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to try to match the budget that might have been   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> passed,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> but if they don't, no problem, only the spending and tax bills   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> become law.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>And when compared to the budget, become deficits and surpluses   
   >>>>> which   
   >>>>>>>>>>>add to the debt.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Indeed they do. One of the biggest concerns in the West right now   
   >>>>> is   
   >>>>>>>>>> that government spending has cut back too much, slowing the   
   >>>>>>>>>> growth   
   >>>>>>>>>> of the US, giving the Eurozone another recession and leaving the   
   >>>>>>>>>> UK   
   >>>>>>>>>> dead in the water. Deficits can be good or bad, depending on the   
   >>>>>>>>>> rest of the economy. The national debt is already a sunk cost and   
   >>>>>>>>>> can be generally ignored for short-term planning.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>Well, European countries are free to donate as much money as they   
   >>>>>>>>>like. I'm sure the Obama can find something to spend it on. He   
   >>>>>>>>>certainly hasn't had trouble spending far more than we have.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at this time   
   >>>>> hurts   
   >>>>>>>> Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity supporters have demonstrated   
   >>>>>>>> their ignorance of economics.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was there before the   
   >>>>>>>austerity   
   >>>>>>>measures were put into place to try and fix them.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Austerity during a recession is one example of ignorance by political   
   >>>>>> leaders. There's plenty of other nonsense that many political leaders   
   >>>>>> believe, economic and otherwise. Reactionary leaders tend to believe   
   >>>>> the   
   >>>>>> most nonsense.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The problem was that those countries were overspending on their GDP   
   >>>>> and   
   >>>>> had been for years.  It caught up with them.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Yea, and we're suppose to join them by continuing to overspend on ours.   
   >>>>Highest deficits in US history and he says they still aren't high   
   >>>>enough.   
   >>>   
   >>> They were only highest in nominal dollar amounts. Raising taxes on the   
   >>> wealthy and raising spending will help the economy grow without   
   >>> increasing deficits.   
   >>   
   >>And what happens when you run out of other people's money to steal?   
   >>   
   > Collecting taxes is not stealing money, no matter what the crazy   
   > reactionaries say.   
      
   It is when it's done punitively and because you think they have too much   
   money.   
      
   Then it is little more than theft.   
      
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