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From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net
"Free Lunch" wrote in message
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> On Sat, 18 May 2013 13:18:22 -0500, RD Sandman
> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
>>Free Lunch wrote in
>>news:49afp8hs0ndf4b24ev4c3iu53roqq1abg5@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:11:52 -0500, RD Sandman
>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>
>>>>Free Lunch wrote in
>>>>news:vavep8huemgub4ageifkev579pnflfk0tm@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 00:16:17 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Free Lunch" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:ikqdp8h0d18hbsh4fbo2pbpibf8can49fk@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:33:09 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"RD Sandman" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:XnsA1C355EB2227Fhopewell@216.196.121.131...
>>>>>>>>> Free Lunch wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:q8ecp89mm9551f49598bpg671a3crfq49k@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:54:15 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Free Lunch wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>news:kroap89c498pgk07js3e5cui1tq7od9edk@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:24:10 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Free Lunch" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:8fmap81ea903324epphsnlp94855m2l0o2@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:49:30 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Free Lunch wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:fb48p8h4dheale4uoutm46c91a0ni7p8qc@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:41:05 -0600, deep wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:47:25 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I believe Obama signed into law some $800 Billion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of additional spending into that budget while he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since they had already budgeted more than they had in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revenue shouldn't we calculate that entire amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added under Obama as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deficit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gee, and here I thought the budget was the responsiblity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of the House of Representatives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Since when did The Executive write the budget?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The budget is just a plan. It has never had any meaning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for congress, even if they pass it. The spending and tax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bills are supposed to try to match the budget that might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been passed, but if they don't, no problem, only the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending and tax bills become law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And when compared to the budget, become deficits and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>surpluses
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>add to the debt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed they do. One of the biggest concerns in the West
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that government spending has cut back too much, slowing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growth of the US, giving the Eurozone another recession and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaving the UK dead in the water. Deficits can be good or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad, depending on the rest of the economy. The national
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debt is already a sunk cost and can be generally ignored
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for short-term planning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, European countries are free to donate as much money as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>they like. I'm sure the Obama can find something to spend it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>on. He certainly hasn't had trouble spending far more than we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at this
>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>> hurts
>>>>>>>>>>>> Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity supporters have
>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrated their ignorance of economics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was there before the
>>>>>>>>>>>austerity measures were put into place to try and fix them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Austerity during a recession is one example of ignorance by
>>>>>>>>>> political leaders. There's plenty of other nonsense that many
>>>>>>>>>> political leaders believe, economic and otherwise. Reactionary
>>>>>>>>>> leaders tend to believe
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> most nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The problem was that those countries were overspending on their
>>>>>>>>> GDP and had been for years. It caught up with them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yea, and we're suppose to join them by continuing to overspend on
>>>>>>>>ours. Highest deficits in US history and he says they still aren't
>>>>>>>>high enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They were only highest in nominal dollar amounts. Raising taxes on
>>>>>>> the wealthy and raising spending will help the economy grow
>>>>>>> without increasing deficits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And what happens when you run out of other people's money to steal?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Collecting taxes is not stealing money, no matter what the crazy
>>>>> reactionaries say.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Then there should be no problem raising EVERYBODY's taxes, including
>>>>that bottom 47%. Everybody should have some skin in the game.
>>>
>>> They all pay taxes.
>>>
>>
>>Not income taxes and for some the taxes that they pay is simply returning
>>money to the government where it came from.
>
> I don't really care about your obsession with income taxes.
Fine, the we don't need to raise the income tax rate on the rich because you
don't care about it.
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