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   From: lunch@nofreelunch.us   
      
   On Sat, 18 May 2013 20:38:01 -0400, "Scout"   
    wrote in alt.atheism:   
      
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   >"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >news:vavep8huemgub4ageifkev579pnflfk0tm@4ax.com...   
   >> On Sat, 18 May 2013 00:16:17 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>>"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >>>news:ikqdp8h0d18hbsh4fbo2pbpibf8can49fk@4ax.com...   
   >>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:33:09 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>>>>"RD Sandman"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>news:XnsA1C355EB2227Fhopewell@216.196.121.131...   
   >>>>>> Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>>>> news:q8ecp89mm9551f49598bpg671a3crfq49k@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:54:15 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>news:kroap89c498pgk07js3e5cui1tq7od9edk@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:24:10 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>news:8fmap81ea903324epphsnlp94855m2l0o2@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:49:30 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>news:fb48p8h4dheale4uoutm46c91a0ni7p8qc@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:41:05 -0600, deep wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:47:25 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I believe Obama signed into law some $800 Billion of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional spending into that budget while he was President.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since they had already budgeted more than they had in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revenue   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't we calculate that entire amount added under Obama   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>deficit   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>;)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gee, and here I thought the budget was the responsiblity of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>House of Representatives.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Since when did The Executive write the budget?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> The budget is just a plan. It has never had any meaning for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> congress, even if they pass it. The spending and tax bills are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to try to match the budget that might have been   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> passed,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> but if they don't, no problem, only the spending and tax bills   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> become law.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>And when compared to the budget, become deficits and surpluses   
   >>>>>> which   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>add to the debt.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Indeed they do. One of the biggest concerns in the West right now   
   >>>>>> is   
   >>>>>>>>>>> that government spending has cut back too much, slowing the   
   >>>>>>>>>>> growth   
   >>>>>>>>>>> of the US, giving the Eurozone another recession and leaving the   
   >>>>>>>>>>> UK   
   >>>>>>>>>>> dead in the water. Deficits can be good or bad, depending on the   
   >>>>>>>>>>> rest of the economy. The national debt is already a sunk cost and   
   >>>>>>>>>>> can be generally ignored for short-term planning.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>Well, European countries are free to donate as much money as they   
   >>>>>>>>>>like. I'm sure the Obama can find something to spend it on. He   
   >>>>>>>>>>certainly hasn't had trouble spending far more than we have.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at this time   
   >>>>>> hurts   
   >>>>>>>>> Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity supporters have demonstrated   
   >>>>>>>>> their ignorance of economics.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was there before the   
   >>>>>>>>austerity   
   >>>>>>>>measures were put into place to try and fix them.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Austerity during a recession is one example of ignorance by political   
   >>>>>>> leaders. There's plenty of other nonsense that many political leaders   
   >>>>>>> believe, economic and otherwise. Reactionary leaders tend to believe   
   >>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>> most nonsense.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> The problem was that those countries were overspending on their GDP   
   >>>>>> and   
   >>>>>> had been for years.  It caught up with them.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Yea, and we're suppose to join them by continuing to overspend on ours.   
   >>>>>Highest deficits in US history and he says they still aren't high   
   >>>>>enough.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> They were only highest in nominal dollar amounts. Raising taxes on the   
   >>>> wealthy and raising spending will help the economy grow without   
   >>>> increasing deficits.   
   >>>   
   >>>And what happens when you run out of other people's money to steal?   
   >>>   
   >> Collecting taxes is not stealing money, no matter what the crazy   
   >> reactionaries say.   
   >   
   >It is when it's done punitively and because you think they have too much   
   >money.   
   >   
   >Then it is little more than theft.   
   >   
   Taxes were reasonable in the late 90s and our national debt was   
   decreasing as a share of GDP. Why did anyone engage in a massive tax cut   
   after that?   
      
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