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   From: lunch@nofreelunch.us   
      
   On Sat, 18 May 2013 21:11:48 -0400, "Scout"   
    wrote in alt.atheism:   
      
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   >"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >news:8nvep8lr049o5aiu0b0h5v3ufnk4cqkjhh@4ax.com...   
   >> On Sat, 18 May 2013 00:18:10 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>>"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >>>news:5nqdp8dpa5co20ajs7h50b00hvl2m2nhhm@4ax.com...   
   >>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:39:54 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>>>>"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>news:4cecp8dtq2tp55eiijkqjor6ml83pj1oig@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 22:08:58 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>>>>>>"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>news:kroap89c498pgk07js3e5cui1tq7od9edk@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:24:10 -0400, "Scout"   
   >>>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>>>>>>>>"Free Lunch"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>news:8fmap81ea903324epphsnlp94855m2l0o2@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:49:30 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>>>  wrote in alt.atheism:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>Free Lunch  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>news:fb48p8h4dheale4uoutm46c91a0ni7p8qc@4ax.com:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:41:05 -0600, deep wrote in alt.atheism:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:47:25 -0500, RD Sandman   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I believe Obama signed into law some $800 Billion of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending into that budget while he was President.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since they had already budgeted more than they had in revenue   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't we calculate that entire amount added under Obama   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as   
   >>>>>>>>>>>deficit   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>;)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>Gee, and here I thought the budget was the responsiblity of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>House   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>of Representatives.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>Since when did The Executive write the budget?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> The budget is just a plan. It has never had any meaning for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> congress,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> even if they pass it. The spending and tax bills are supposed to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> try   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> match the budget that might have been passed, but if they don't,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> no   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> problem, only the spending and tax bills become law.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>And when compared to the budget, become deficits and surpluses   
   >>>>>>>>>>>which   
   >>>>>>>>>>>add   
   >>>>>>>>>>>to the debt.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Indeed they do. One of the biggest concerns in the West right now   
   >>>>>>>>>> is   
   >>>>>>>>>> that government spending has cut back too much, slowing the growth   
   >>>>>>>>>> of   
   >>>>>>>>>> the US, giving the Eurozone another recession and leaving the UK   
   >>>>>>>>>> dead   
   >>>>>>>>>> in   
   >>>>>>>>>> the water. Deficits can be good or bad, depending on the rest of   
   >>>>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>>>> economy. The national debt is already a sunk cost and can be   
   >>>>>>>>>> generally   
   >>>>>>>>>> ignored for short-term planning.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>Well, European countries are free to donate as much money as they   
   >>>>>>>>>like.   
   >>>>>>>>>I'm   
   >>>>>>>>>sure the Obama can find something to spend it on. He certainly   
   >>>>>>>>>hasn't   
   >>>>>>>>>had   
   >>>>>>>>>trouble spending far more than we have.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at this time   
   >>>>>>>> hurts   
   >>>>>>>> Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity supporters have demonstrated   
   >>>>>>>> their   
   >>>>>>>> ignorance of economics.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>I agree. Europe should borrow tons of money and give it to Obama so he   
   >>>>>>>can   
   >>>>>>>spend it.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>After all. Obama is already running the US into the ground at a rate   
   >>>>>>>of   
   >>>>>>>over   
   >>>>>>>$1 Trillion dollars a year. Surely Europe should be able to match that   
   >>>>>>>if   
   >>>>>>>they are really considered about declining US government spending.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Now you were saying something about austerity?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You keep reminding us that you understand nothing about economics or   
   >>>>>> about the US deficit.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Oh, so you're telling us we need to be concerned with our massive   
   >>>>>deficits   
   >>>>>and that we need to reduce government spending drastically so that we   
   >>>>>won't   
   >>>>>run our economy into the ground with government debt and excessive   
   >>>>>taxation?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> America has already reduced its spending too fast to let the economy   
   >>>> recover properly. If you want to make the deficit smaller, raise taxes   
   >>>> on the wealthy.   
   >>>   
   >>>So with $6 Trillion in deficit spending you're telling me that Obama STILL   
   >>>hasn't fixed the economy so that's it's not dependent on massively   
   >>>excessive   
   >>>government spending?   
   >>   
   >> It is dependent on the change in spending. Government spending should   
   >> increase when the economy is weak and it should decrease when the   
   >> economy is strong. Right now our government spending as a share of the   
   >> potential GDP is lower than it was under Reagan.   
   >   
   >Potential?   
   >   
   >Come again when you can discuss what is actually going on rather than some   
   >fantasy of yours.   
   >   
   >Meanwhile consider this.   
   >   
   >"President Barack Obama said: "Since I've been president, federal spending   
   >has risen at the lowest pace in nearly 60 years." And then he said, "Think   
   >about that."   
   >   
   >"The data says this: Since fiscal 1930, the earliest year for which the   
   >government has made official calculation, only two presidents have spent 24   
   >percent or more of GDP for three or more straight fiscal years that started   
   >while they were president. They are Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Barack   
   >Obama."   
   >   
   >"In the three fiscal years that have started during Obama's presidency,   
   >Obama has spent an average of 24.17 percent of GDP."   
   >   
   >http://cnsnews.com/blog/terence-p-jeffrey/obama-fdr-set-modern-   
   ecords-gdp-spending   
      
   Mr. Jeffrey is doing a fine job making reactionaries believe misleading   
   commentary. Why don't you look at all government spending and see how it   
   has been going down as a share of potential GDP. We have government   
   austerity.   
      
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