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"Free Lunch" wrote in message
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> On Sat, 18 May 2013 20:38:01 -0400, "Scout"
> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
>>
>>
>>"Free Lunch" wrote in message
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>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 00:16:17 -0400, "Scout"
>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Free Lunch" wrote in message
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>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:33:09 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"RD Sandman" wrote in message
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>>>>>>> Free Lunch wrote in
>>>>>>> news:q8ecp89mm9551f49598bpg671a3crfq49k@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:54:15 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Free Lunch wrote in
>>>>>>>>>news:kroap89c498pgk07js3e5cui1tq7od9edk@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2013 18:24:10 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Free Lunch" wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:49:30 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Free Lunch wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:fb48p8h4dheale4uoutm46c91a0ni7p8qc@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:41:05 -0600, deep wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:47:25 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I believe Obama signed into law some $800 Billion of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional spending into that budget while he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since they had already budgeted more than they had in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revenue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't we calculate that entire amount added under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>deficit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gee, and here I thought the budget was the responsiblity of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>House of Representatives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Since when did The Executive write the budget?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The budget is just a plan. It has never had any meaning for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> congress, even if they pass it. The spending and tax bills
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to try to match the budget that might have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but if they don't, no problem, only the spending and tax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bills
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>And when compared to the budget, become deficits and surpluses
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>add to the debt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed they do. One of the biggest concerns in the West right
>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> that government spending has cut back too much, slowing the
>>>>>>>>>>>> growth
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the US, giving the Eurozone another recession and leaving
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> UK
>>>>>>>>>>>> dead in the water. Deficits can be good or bad, depending on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> rest of the economy. The national debt is already a sunk cost
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> can be generally ignored for short-term planning.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Well, European countries are free to donate as much money as they
>>>>>>>>>>>like. I'm sure the Obama can find something to spend it on. He
>>>>>>>>>>>certainly hasn't had trouble spending far more than we have.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity at this time
>>>>>>> hurts
>>>>>>>>>> Europe and it hurts the US. Austerity supporters have
>>>>>>>>>> demonstrated
>>>>>>>>>> their ignorance of economics.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was there before the
>>>>>>>>>austerity
>>>>>>>>>measures were put into place to try and fix them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Austerity during a recession is one example of ignorance by
>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>> leaders. There's plenty of other nonsense that many political
>>>>>>>> leaders
>>>>>>>> believe, economic and otherwise. Reactionary leaders tend to
>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> most nonsense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem was that those countries were overspending on their GDP
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> had been for years. It caught up with them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yea, and we're suppose to join them by continuing to overspend on
>>>>>>ours.
>>>>>>Highest deficits in US history and he says they still aren't high
>>>>>>enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> They were only highest in nominal dollar amounts. Raising taxes on the
>>>>> wealthy and raising spending will help the economy grow without
>>>>> increasing deficits.
>>>>
>>>>And what happens when you run out of other people's money to steal?
>>>>
>>> Collecting taxes is not stealing money, no matter what the crazy
>>> reactionaries say.
>>
>>It is when it's done punitively and because you think they have too much
>>money.
>>
>>Then it is little more than theft.
>>
> Taxes were reasonable in the late 90s and our national debt was
> decreasing as a share of GDP. Why did anyone engage in a massive tax cut
> after that?
Because it's popular with short sighted politicians who are just trying to
get through the next election without losing their office.
Sort of like how certain people want to boost social programs even when
there is no real need to do so.
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