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On Sun, 19 May 2013 07:41:27 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> On Sun, 19 May 2013 14:32:58 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 19 May 2013 05:18:46 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 20:02:12 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:04:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 17:27:39 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:20:04 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:07:09 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>>>>>>>>news:bpidp8hj63b1f98jo9t3uf05khtijovg27@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:11:42 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 11:52:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:20:43 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:16:09 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 15:10:26 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:37:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:31:32 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:29:38 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:28:56 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:17:42 -0600, deep wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:06:49 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at this time hurts Europe and it hurts the US.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austerity supporters have demonstrated their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance of economics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>before the austerity measures were put into place to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>try and fix them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Austerity during a recession is one example of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ignorance by political leaders. There's plenty of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>other nonsense that many political leaders believe,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>economic and otherwise. Reactionary leaders tend to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>believe the most nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The problem with austerity is it's only austerity for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the poor and middle class. The wealthy get to have an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>orgy of rape of the national treasuries. During
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>periods of "austerity" the top 1% keeps getting richer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and richer while the poor have to learn how to get by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>without things like food and medical care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Funny how the rich always do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Funny how you can't figure out why that might be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know why.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really? Because you claimed it was "funny" and I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing you didn't think it was "ha ha" funny but that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was "Strangely or suspiciously odd; curious" funny.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So it sounded like you didn't understand why rich people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "always" do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's because they have a lot of money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Our alleged democracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't a democracy. Never has been. Perhaps your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstanding of our government is the source of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What are the first three words in the Constitution, bubbles?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with democracy, dumb shit? Do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even know what kind of government we have?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [crickets.wav]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, didn't think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What are the first three words of the Constitution, bubbles?
>>>>>>>>>>>>It's not a very hard question. Google it if you don't know.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Completely irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The rest of the words very clearly demonstrate we're not a
>>>>>>>>>>> democracy.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't know that, did you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [chuckle]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Define Democracy then, since quoting from the Constitution has
>>>>>>>>>>proven too much for you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Simple.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens
>>>>>>>>> have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Wrong. That is a pure or direct democracy. No one is arguing
>>>>>>>>that is what we have. There is also, however, a representative
>>>>>>>>democracy which is so close to what we have that you couldn't slip
>>>>>>>>a dollar bill between them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You may wish to read the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>From a nut ball site called "Lexrex". Amusingly, it starts with the
>>>>>>first three words from the Constitution that Klod can't bring
>>>>>>himself to say in these groups.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should I? They don't describe the kind of government we have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is another nutball site:
>>>>>
>>>>> Government type: Constitution-based federal republic; strong
>>>>> democratic tradition
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/
>>us.html
>>>>
>>>>Yup, and it agrees that the US is a democratic Republic.
>>>
>>> No, it doesn't. Try reading it again.
>>
>>This from a clown who is scared to death to recite the first three words
>>of the Constitution.
>
> This from the stoner who never got past the first three words before he
> fell asleep.
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