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From: klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com
On Sun, 19 May 2013 12:15:22 -0400, Steve
wrote:
>On Sun, 19 May 2013 15:55:13 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 19 May 2013 07:41:27 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 19 May 2013 14:32:58 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 19 May 2013 05:18:46 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 20:02:12 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:04:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 17:27:39 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:20:04 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:07:09 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>news:bpidp8hj63b1f98jo9t3uf05khtijovg27@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:11:42 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 11:52:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:20:43 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:16:09 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 15:10:26 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:37:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:31:32 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:29:38 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:28:56 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:17:42 -0600, deep wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:06:49 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem. Austerity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at this time hurts Europe and it hurts the US.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austerity supporters have demonstrated their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance of economics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>before the austerity measures were put into place to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>try and fix them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Austerity during a recession is one example of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ignorance by political leaders. There's plenty of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>other nonsense that many political leaders believe,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>economic and otherwise. Reactionary leaders tend to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>believe the most nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The problem with austerity is it's only austerity for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the poor and middle class. The wealthy get to have an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>orgy of rape of the national treasuries. During
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>periods of "austerity" the top 1% keeps getting richer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and richer while the poor have to learn how to get by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>without things like food and medical care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Funny how the rich always do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Funny how you can't figure out why that might be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know why.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really? Because you claimed it was "funny" and I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guessing you didn't think it was "ha ha" funny but that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was "Strangely or suspiciously odd; curious" funny.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So it sounded like you didn't understand why rich people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "always" do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's because they have a lot of money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Our alleged democracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't a democracy. Never has been. Perhaps your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstanding of our government is the source of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What are the first three words in the Constitution, bubbles?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with democracy, dumb shit? Do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even know what kind of government we have?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [crickets.wav]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, didn't think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What are the first three words of the Constitution, bubbles?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's not a very hard question. Google it if you don't know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Completely irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rest of the words very clearly demonstrate we're not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> democracy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't know that, did you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [chuckle]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Define Democracy then, since quoting from the Constitution has
>>>>>>>>>>>>proven too much for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens
>>>>>>>>>>> have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Wrong. That is a pure or direct democracy. No one is arguing
>>>>>>>>>>that is what we have. There is also, however, a representative
>>>>>>>>>>democracy which is so close to what we have that you couldn't slip
>>>>>>>>>>a dollar bill between them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You may wish to read the following:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>From a nut ball site called "Lexrex". Amusingly, it starts with the
>>>>>>>>first three words from the Constitution that Klod can't bring
>>>>>>>>himself to say in these groups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why should I? They don't describe the kind of government we have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is another nutball site:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Government type: Constitution-based federal republic; strong
>>>>>>> democratic tradition
>>>>>>>
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