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On Sun, 19 May 2013 11:05:03 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> On Sun, 19 May 2013 12:15:22 -0400, Steve
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 19 May 2013 15:55:13 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 19 May 2013 07:41:27 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 19 May 2013 14:32:58 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 19 May 2013 05:18:46 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 20:02:12 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:04:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 17:27:39 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:20:04 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:07:09 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>news:bpidp8hj63b1f98jo9t3uf05khtijovg27@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:11:42 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 11:52:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:20:43 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:16:09 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 15:10:26 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:37:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:31:32 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:29:38 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:28:56 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:17:42 -0600, deep wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:06:49 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austerity at this time hurts Europe and it hurts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the US. Austerity supporters have demonstrated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their ignorance of economics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>before the austerity measures were put into place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to try and fix them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Austerity during a recession is one example of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ignorance by political leaders. There's plenty of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>other nonsense that many political leaders believe,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>economic and otherwise. Reactionary leaders tend to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>believe the most nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The problem with austerity is it's only austerity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for the poor and middle class. The wealthy get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have an orgy of rape of the national treasuries.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>During periods of "austerity" the top 1% keeps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>getting richer and richer while the poor have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>learn how to get by without things like food and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>medical care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Funny how the rich always do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Funny how you can't figure out why that might be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know why.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really? Because you claimed it was "funny" and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm guessing you didn't think it was "ha ha" funny but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it was "Strangely or suspiciously odd; curious"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> funny.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So it sounded like you didn't understand why rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people "always" do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's because they have a lot of money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Our alleged democracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't a democracy. Never has been. Perhaps your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstanding of our government is the source of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What are the first three words in the Constitution,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bubbles?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with democracy, dumb shit? Do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you even know what kind of government we have?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [crickets.wav]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, didn't think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What are the first three words of the Constitution,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bubbles? It's not a very hard question. Google it if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Completely irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rest of the words very clearly demonstrate we're not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> democracy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't know that, did you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [chuckle]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Define Democracy then, since quoting from the Constitution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>has proven too much for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible
>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their
>>>>>>>>>>>> lives.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong. That is a pure or direct democracy. No one is arguing
>>>>>>>>>>>that is what we have. There is also, however, a representative
>>>>>>>>>>>democracy which is so close to what we have that you couldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>slip a dollar bill between them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You may wish to read the following:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic
>>>>>>>>>
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