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From: klausschadenfreude@yahoo.com
On Sun, 19 May 2013 18:12:53 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>On Sun, 19 May 2013 11:05:03 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 19 May 2013 12:15:22 -0400, Steve
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 19 May 2013 15:55:13 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 19 May 2013 07:41:27 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 19 May 2013 14:32:58 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 19 May 2013 05:18:46 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 20:02:12 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:04:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 17:27:39 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:20:04 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:07:09 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>news:bpidp8hj63b1f98jo9t3uf05khtijovg27@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:11:42 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 11:52:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:20:43 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:16:09 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 15:10:26 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:37:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:31:32 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:29:38 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:28:56 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:17:42 -0600, deep wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:06:49 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austerity at this time hurts Europe and it hurts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the US. Austerity supporters have demonstrated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their ignorance of economics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>before the austerity measures were put into place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to try and fix them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Austerity during a recession is one example of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ignorance by political leaders. There's plenty of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>other nonsense that many political leaders believe,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>economic and otherwise. Reactionary leaders tend to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>believe the most nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The problem with austerity is it's only austerity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for the poor and middle class. The wealthy get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have an orgy of rape of the national treasuries.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>During periods of "austerity" the top 1% keeps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>getting richer and richer while the poor have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>learn how to get by without things like food and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>medical care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Funny how the rich always do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Funny how you can't figure out why that might be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know why.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really? Because you claimed it was "funny" and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm guessing you didn't think it was "ha ha" funny but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it was "Strangely or suspiciously odd; curious"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> funny.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So it sounded like you didn't understand why rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people "always" do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's because they have a lot of money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Our alleged democracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't a democracy. Never has been. Perhaps your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstanding of our government is the source of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What are the first three words in the Constitution,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bubbles?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with democracy, dumb shit? Do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you even know what kind of government we have?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [crickets.wav]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, didn't think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What are the first three words of the Constitution,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bubbles? It's not a very hard question. Google it if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Completely irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rest of the words very clearly demonstrate we're not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> democracy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't know that, did you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [chuckle]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Define Democracy then, since quoting from the Constitution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>has proven too much for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible
>>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong. That is a pure or direct democracy. No one is arguing
>>>>>>>>>>>>that is what we have. There is also, however, a representative
>>>>>>>>>>>>democracy which is so close to what we have that you couldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>slip a dollar bill between them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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