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On Sun, 19 May 2013 11:23:01 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> On Sun, 19 May 2013 18:12:53 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 19 May 2013 11:05:03 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 19 May 2013 12:15:22 -0400, Steve
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 19 May 2013 15:55:13 +0000 (UTC), Zepp wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 19 May 2013 07:41:27 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 19 May 2013 14:32:58 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 19 May 2013 05:18:46 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 20:02:12 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:04:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 17:27:39 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 18 May 2013 09:20:04 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:07:09 -0500, RD Sandman
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:bpidp8hj63b1f98jo9t3uf05khtijovg27@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 21:11:42 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 11:52:24 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:20:43 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:16:09 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 15:10:26 +0000 (UTC), Zepp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:37:43 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:31:32 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 07:29:38 -0700, Klaus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Schadenfreude wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:28:56 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:17:42 -0600, deep wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:06:49 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to understand the problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Austerity at this time hurts Europe and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurts the US. Austerity supporters have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrated their ignorance of economics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not really, that ignorance of economics was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>there before the austerity measures were put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>into place to try and fix them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Austerity during a recession is one example of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ignorance by political leaders. There's plenty of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>other nonsense that many political leaders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>believe,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>economic and otherwise. Reactionary leaders tend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to believe the most nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The problem with austerity is it's only austerity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for the poor and middle class. The wealthy get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have an orgy of rape of the national treasuries.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>During periods of "austerity" the top 1% keeps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>getting richer and richer while the poor have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>learn how to get by without things like food and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>medical care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Funny how the rich always do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Funny how you can't figure out why that might be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know why.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really? Because you claimed it was "funny" and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm guessing you didn't think it was "ha ha" funny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but that it was "Strangely or suspiciously odd;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curious" funny.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So it sounded like you didn't understand why rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people "always" do well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's because they have a lot of money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Our alleged democracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't a democracy. Never has been. Perhaps your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstanding of our government is the source of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What are the first three words in the Constitution,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bubbles?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with democracy, dumb shit? Do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you even know what kind of government we have?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [crickets.wav]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, didn't think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What are the first three words of the Constitution,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bubbles? It's not a very hard question. Google it if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Completely irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rest of the words very clearly demonstrate we're not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a democracy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't know that, did you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [chuckle]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Define Democracy then, since quoting from the Constitution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>has proven too much for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect
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