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   On Tue, 21 May 2013 22:11:13 -0700, Jason wrote:   
      
   > In article , Zepp  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:22:42 -0700, Jason wrote:   
   >>   
   >> > In article , Tom McDonald   
   >> >  wrote:   
   >> >   
   >> >> On 5/21/2013 9:41 PM, RD Sandman wrote:   
   >> >> > Tom McDonald  wrote in   
   >> >> > news:reUmt.11860$v46.8618@newsfe13.iad:   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >> On 5/21/2013 7:17 PM, Jason wrote:   
   >> >>   
   >> >>    
   >> >>   
   >> >> >>> Good point. I hope they have a congressional investigation about   
   >> >> >>> the AP scandal. It's just as serious as the IRS scandal.   
   >> >> >>>   
   >> >> >>> Someone should write letters to Holder and Obama and remind them   
   >> >> >>> that the constitution mentions freedom of the press. Perhaps   
   >> >> >>> they have forgotten about what they learned about the   
   >> >> >>> constitution.   
   >> >> >>>   
   >> >> >>>   
   >> >> >> Your problem there is that your guy, Bush2, pushed through the   
   >> >> >> laws that make what happened to the AP entirely legal. You knew   
   >> >> >> that it was legal, right?   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > So I assume your take is that since Bush did it, it makes it   
   >> >> > alright for Obama to do it?   No chance that both of them are   
   >> >> > wrong?   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> No, my take is that just about all of the laws passed in the   
   >> >> hysteria about terrorism, especially those that restrict   
   >> >> constitutional rights,   
   >> >> are wrong, cowardly and un-American. This is an example of how we   
   >> >> gave up freedom for almost-certainly-illusory security.   
   >> >>   
   >> >> Whether it's a Democratic or a Republican administration doing it, I   
   >> >> think it's wrong. Period.   
   >> >   
   >> > Do you agree that Holder violated the constitution when he forced the   
   >> > AP to give the federal government their phone records? yes or no   
   >>   
   >> He didn't force AP to do anything.  He just simply took the records   
   >> without subpoena or AP's knowledge.   
   >>   
   >> And yes, I think he violated the Constitution.   
   >   
   > Thanks--we are in total agreement. It was a violation of the   
   > constitution.   
   > I suggest that people write letters to Holder and Obama and advise them   
   > that the constitution grants freedom of the press.   
      
   Agreed.  There's also the little matter of the Fourth Amendment, which is   
   supposed to protect the rest of us from this sort of crap.   
      
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