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   On Tue, 21 May 2013 23:01:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:   
      
   > In article , Zepp  wrote:   
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   >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 22:11:13 -0700, Jason wrote:   
   >>   
   >> > In article , Zepp  wrote:   
   >> >   
   >> >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:22:42 -0700, Jason wrote:   
   >> >>   
   >> >> > In article , Tom McDonald   
   >> >> >  wrote:   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >> On 5/21/2013 9:41 PM, RD Sandman wrote:   
   >> >> >> > Tom McDonald  wrote in   
   >> >> >> > news:reUmt.11860$v46.8618@newsfe13.iad:   
   >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> >> On 5/21/2013 7:17 PM, Jason wrote:   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >>    
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> >>> Good point. I hope they have a congressional investigation   
   >> >> >> >>> about the AP scandal. It's just as serious as the IRS   
   >> >> >> >>> scandal.   
   >> >> >> >>>   
   >> >> >> >>> Someone should write letters to Holder and Obama and remind   
   >> >> >> >>> them that the constitution mentions freedom of the press.   
   >> >> >> >>> Perhaps they have forgotten about what they learned about the   
   >> >> >> >>> constitution.   
   >> >> >> >>>   
   >> >> >> >>>   
   >> >> >> >> Your problem there is that your guy, Bush2, pushed through the   
   >> >> >> >> laws that make what happened to the AP entirely legal. You   
   >> >> >> >> knew that it was legal, right?   
   >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> > So I assume your take is that since Bush did it, it makes it   
   >> >> >> > alright for Obama to do it?   No chance that both of them are   
   >> >> >> > wrong?   
   >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> No, my take is that just about all of the laws passed in the   
   >> >> >> hysteria about terrorism, especially those that restrict   
   >> >> >> constitutional rights,   
   >> >> >> are wrong, cowardly and un-American. This is an example of how we   
   >> >> >> gave up freedom for almost-certainly-illusory security.   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> Whether it's a Democratic or a Republican administration doing   
   >> >> >> it, I think it's wrong. Period.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > Do you agree that Holder violated the constitution when he forced   
   >> >> > the AP to give the federal government their phone records? yes or   
   >> >> > no   
   >> >>   
   >> >> He didn't force AP to do anything.  He just simply took the records   
   >> >> without subpoena or AP's knowledge.   
   >> >>   
   >> >> And yes, I think he violated the Constitution.   
   >> >   
   >> > Thanks--we are in total agreement. It was a violation of the   
   >> > constitution.   
   >> > I suggest that people write letters to Holder and Obama and advise   
   >> > them that the constitution grants freedom of the press.   
   >>   
   >> Agreed.  There's also the little matter of the Fourth Amendment, which   
   >> is supposed to protect the rest of us from this sort of crap.   
   >   
   >   
   > Patriot Act trumps everything else. All the government has to do is   
   > invoke the word "terrorism" and they can do anything they want. Where   
   > have you been?   
      
   Protesting the Patriot Act.  I even got stalked by one of the right wing   
   dirtbags here for doing so.   
      
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