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   On Wed, 22 May 2013 23:02:54 -0400, Scout wrote:   
      
   > "Jeanne Douglas"  wrote in message   
   > news:hlwdjsd2-CFE2C0.19113122052013@news.giganews.com...   
   >> In article <8C5nt.3601$Ju6.1745@newsfe22.iad>,   
   >> Tom McDonald  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 5/21/2013 11:22 PM, Jason wrote:   
   >>> > In article , Tom McDonald   
   >>> >  wrote:   
   >>> >   
   >>> >> On 5/21/2013 9:41 PM, RD Sandman wrote:   
   >>> >>> Tom McDonald  wrote in   
   >>> >>> news:reUmt.11860$v46.8618@newsfe13.iad:   
   >>> >>>   
   >>> >>>> On 5/21/2013 7:17 PM, Jason wrote:   
   >>> >>   
   >>> >>    
   >>> >>   
   >>> >>>>> Good point. I hope they have a congressional investigation about   
   >>> >>>>> the AP scandal. It's just as serious as the IRS scandal.   
   >>> >>>>>   
   >>> >>>>> Someone should write letters to Holder and Obama and remind them   
   >>> >>>>> that the constitution mentions freedom of the press. Perhaps   
   >>> >>>>> they have forgotten about what they learned about the   
   >>> >>>>> constitution.   
   >>> >>>>>   
   >>> >>>>>   
   >>> >>>> Your problem there is that your guy, Bush2, pushed through the   
   >>> >>>> laws that make what happened to the AP entirely legal. You knew   
   >>> >>>> that it was legal, right?   
   >>> >>>   
   >>> >>> So I assume your take is that since Bush did it, it makes it   
   >>> >>> alright for Obama to do it?   No chance that both of them are   
   >>> >>> wrong?   
   >>> >>>   
   >>> >> No, my take is that just about all of the laws passed in the   
   >>> >> hysteria about terrorism, especially those that restrict   
   >>> >> constitutional rights,   
   >>> >> are wrong, cowardly and un-American. This is an example of how we   
   >>> >> gave up freedom for almost-certainly-illusory security.   
   >>> >>   
   >>> >> Whether it's a Democratic or a Republican administration doing it,   
   >>> >> I think it's wrong. Period.   
   >>> >   
   >>> > Do you agree that Holder violated the constitution when he forced   
   >>> > the AP to give the federal government their phone records? yes or no   
   >>> >   
   >>> >   
   >>> First, do you think the Patriot Act provision under which this was   
   >>> made legal is constitutional? Yes or no.   
   >>   
   >> Until the courts say it's unconstitutional, it IS constitutional.   
   >   
   > Sorry, but Unconstitutionality dates from it's enactment...not when the   
   > courts rule it as such.   
      
   It won't protect you until the court rules, though.   
      
   That's why it would be nice if the idiots in Congress exercised a little   
   bit of restraint and common sense sometimes.   
      
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