XPost: alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism, talk.politics.guns   
   From: dead@gone.com   
      
   On Thu, 23 May 2013 00:47:17 -0700, Jason wrote:   
      
   > In article , "Scout"   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> "Jason"  wrote in message   
   >> news:Jason-2205131811360001@66-53-220-130.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com...   
   >> > In article , "Scout"   
   >> >  wrote:   
   >> >   
   >> >> "Jeanne Douglas"  wrote in message   
   >> >> news:hlwdjsd2-F24A0E.23010721052013@news.giganews.com...   
   >> >> > In article , Zepp    
   >> >> > wrote:   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 22:11:13 -0700, Jason wrote:   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> > In article , Zepp    
   >> >> >> > wrote:   
   >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:22:42 -0700, Jason wrote:   
   >> >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> >> > In article , Tom McDonald   
   >> >> >> >> >  wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> >> >> On 5/21/2013 9:41 PM, RD Sandman wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> >> > Tom McDonald  wrote in   
   >> >> >> >> >> > news:reUmt.11860$v46.8618@newsfe13.iad:   
   >> >> >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> >> >> >> On 5/21/2013 7:17 PM, Jason wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> >> >>    
   >> >> >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> >> >> >>> Good point. I hope they have a congressional   
   >> >> >> >> >> >>> investigation about the AP scandal. It's just as   
   >> >> >> >> >> >>> serious as the IRS scandal.   
   >> >> >> >> >> >>>   
   >> >> >> >> >> >>> Someone should write letters to Holder and Obama and   
   >> >> >> >> >> >>> remind them that the constitution mentions freedom of   
   >> >> >> >> >> >>> the press. Perhaps they have forgotten about what they   
   >> >> >> >> >> >>> learned about the constitution.   
   >> >> >> >> >> >>>   
   >> >> >> >> >> >>>   
   >> >> >> >> >> >> Your problem there is that your guy, Bush2, pushed   
   >> >> >> >> >> >> through the laws that make what happened to the AP   
   >> >> >> >> >> >> entirely legal. You knew that it was legal, right?   
   >> >> >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> >> >> > So I assume your take is that since Bush did it, it makes   
   >> >> >> >> >> > it alright for Obama to do it?   No chance that both of   
   >> >> >> >> >> > them are wrong?   
   >> >> >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> >> >> No, my take is that just about all of the laws passed in   
   >> >> >> >> >> the hysteria about terrorism, especially those that   
   >> >> >> >> >> restrict constitutional rights,   
   >> >> >> >> >> are wrong, cowardly and un-American. This is an example of   
   >> >> >> >> >> how we gave up freedom for almost-certainly-illusory   
   >> >> >> >> >> security.   
   >> >> >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> >> >> Whether it's a Democratic or a Republican administration   
   >> >> >> >> >> doing it,   
   >> >> >> >> >> I   
   >> >> >> >> >> think it's wrong. Period.   
   >> >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> >> > Do you agree that Holder violated the constitution when he   
   >> >> >> >> > forced the AP to give the federal government their phone   
   >> >> >> >> > records? yes or no   
   >> >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> >> He didn't force AP to do anything.  He just simply took the   
   >> >> >> >> records without subpoena or AP's knowledge.   
   >> >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> >> And yes, I think he violated the Constitution.   
   >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> > Thanks--we are in total agreement. It was a violation of the   
   >> >> >> > constitution.   
   >> >> >> > I suggest that people write letters to Holder and Obama and   
   >> >> >> > advise them that the constitution grants freedom of the press.   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> Agreed.  There's also the little matter of the Fourth Amendment,   
   >> >> >> which is supposed to protect the rest of us from this sort of   
   >> >> >> crap.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > Patriot Act trumps everything else. All the government has to do   
   >> >> > is invoke the word "terrorism" and they can do anything they want.   
   >> >> > Where have you been?   
   >> >>   
   >> >> So you're saying the 4th Amendment no longer applies because the   
   >> >> government says so?   
   >> >>   
   >> >>   
   >> > It's my guess that Holder would answer that question by saying that   
   >> > the 4th Amendment no longer apples.   
   >> >   
   >> > Holder totally ignored the 4th Amendment when he tapped the phone   
   >> > lines of the AP reporters.   
   >> >   
   >> > Obama should fire Holder but it's my guess that Obama will not fire   
   >> > Holder since Holder is Obama's lap dog.   
   >>   
   >> Or he's got something good on Obama, like say proof Obama was directly   
   >> involved and/or informed before or during F&F.   
   >>   
   >>   
   > You may be correct. Holder may know lots of secrets about Obama. There   
   > is a rumor that Obama visiting a famous gay club in Chicago before he   
   > became president. Holder may know the details of Obama's visit to that   
   > gay club.   
      
   Nothing like a Democratic President to bring out your inner crazy, Jase.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)