XPost: alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism, talk.politics.guns   
   From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net   
      
   "Jeanne Douglas"  wrote in message   
   news:hlwdjsd2-2D1D88.01563023052013@news.giganews.com...   
   > In article   
   > ,   
   > Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:   
   >   
   >> In article , Zepp  wrote:   
   >>   
   >> > On Wed, 22 May 2013 23:02:54 -0400, Scout wrote:   
   >> >   
   >> > > "Jeanne Douglas"  wrote in message   
   >> > > news:hlwdjsd2-CFE2C0.19113122052013@news.giganews.com...   
   >> > >> In article <8C5nt.3601$Ju6.1745@newsfe22.iad>,   
   >> > >> Tom McDonald  wrote:   
   >> > >>   
   >> > >>> On 5/21/2013 11:22 PM, Jason wrote:   
   >> > >>> > In article , Tom McDonald   
   >> > >>> >  wrote:   
   >> > >>> >   
   >> > >>> >> On 5/21/2013 9:41 PM, RD Sandman wrote:   
   >> > >>> >>> Tom McDonald  wrote in   
   >> > >>> >>> news:reUmt.11860$v46.8618@newsfe13.iad:   
   >> > >>> >>>   
   >> > >>> >>>> On 5/21/2013 7:17 PM, Jason wrote:   
   >> > >>> >>   
   >> > >>> >>    
   >> > >>> >>   
   >> > >>> >>>>> Good point. I hope they have a congressional investigation   
   >> > >>> >>>>> about   
   >> > >>> >>>>> the AP scandal. It's just as serious as the IRS scandal.   
   >> > >>> >>>>>   
   >> > >>> >>>>> Someone should write letters to Holder and Obama and remind   
   >> > >>> >>>>> them   
   >> > >>> >>>>> that the constitution mentions freedom of the press. Perhaps   
   >> > >>> >>>>> they have forgotten about what they learned about the   
   >> > >>> >>>>> constitution.   
   >> > >>> >>>>>   
   >> > >>> >>>>>   
   >> > >>> >>>> Your problem there is that your guy, Bush2, pushed through the   
   >> > >>> >>>> laws that make what happened to the AP entirely legal. You   
   >> > >>> >>>> knew   
   >> > >>> >>>> that it was legal, right?   
   >> > >>> >>>   
   >> > >>> >>> So I assume your take is that since Bush did it, it makes it   
   >> > >>> >>> alright for Obama to do it?   No chance that both of them are   
   >> > >>> >>> wrong?   
   >> > >>> >>>   
   >> > >>> >> No, my take is that just about all of the laws passed in the   
   >> > >>> >> hysteria about terrorism, especially those that restrict   
   >> > >>> >> constitutional rights,   
   >> > >>> >> are wrong, cowardly and un-American. This is an example of how   
   >> > >>> >> we   
   >> > >>> >> gave up freedom for almost-certainly-illusory security.   
   >> > >>> >>   
   >> > >>> >> Whether it's a Democratic or a Republican administration doing   
   >> > >>> >> it,   
   >> > >>> >> I think it's wrong. Period.   
   >> > >>> >   
   >> > >>> > Do you agree that Holder violated the constitution when he forced   
   >> > >>> > the AP to give the federal government their phone records? yes or   
   >> > >>> > no   
   >> > >>> >   
   >> > >>> >   
   >> > >>> First, do you think the Patriot Act provision under which this was   
   >> > >>> made legal is constitutional? Yes or no.   
   >> > >>   
   >> > >> Until the courts say it's unconstitutional, it IS constitutional.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Sorry, but Unconstitutionality dates from it's enactment...not when   
   >> > > the   
   >> > > courts rule it as such.   
   >> >   
   >> > It won't protect you until the court rules, though.   
   >> >   
   >> > That's why it would be nice if the idiots in Congress exercised a   
   >> > little   
   >> > bit of restraint and common sense sometimes.   
   >>   
   >> It would also be great if Holder had not had used the Patriot Act to   
   >> justify the bugging of the phone lines of AP reporters.   
   >   
   > Why wouldn't he use every law he's has at his disposal.   
   >   
   > You can't support a law and then turn against it when somebody you don't   
   > like uses it.   
      
   Whereas you do the exact opposite and claim it was vile under Bush and now   
   under Obama claim it's use was totally legal.   
      
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