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   On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:00:23 -0500, David Hartung    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 07/30/2013 09:30 AM, Obama's Legion of Flash Mobs @ 7/11.nig wrote:   
   >> On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:27:35 -0600, Yoorghis@Jurgis.net wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:35:14 -0400, Obama's Legion of Flash Mobs @   
   >>> 7/11.nig wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>> How's about listing the major conservative tenets as PRACTICED by   
   >>>>> conservatives, you dimwitted moron   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You'd have to first put your hand over your heart and recite the   
   >>>> Pledge of Allegiance. Without doing that there's no starting point   
   >>>   
   >>> The pledge wasn't introduced until recently (relatively)   
   >>>   
   >>> There is no law requiring any citizen to do so.   
   >>   
   >> So there's no starting point if your allegiance isn't to America,   
   >> commi   
   >   
   >As much as it pains me to agree with Gary Roselles on anything, on this   
   >he is correct. If you will check our history, the Pledge of Allegiance   
   >was written in the early 20th century, but was not widely used until the   
   >1950s, during the "Red Scare". In addition the words "under God" were   
   >added by Congress during those same "Red Scare" years. There is no law   
   >requiring a US citizen to say the pledge, and it is not a necessary   
   >thing in order to be a patriot. In the first 200 years of our nation's   
   >history, several millions of men sacrificed their lived in this nation's   
   >defense, without having said the pledge.   
   >   
   >The only real use the Pledge has, is as a tool to teach about citizenship.   
      
   I disagree and that's ok but in this debate I set a starting point on   
   which there should be some commonality. We both know there is no   
   starting point between Gary and I because his allegiance isn't with   
   America, it's with an ideology separate from Federalism and his   
   separation from God is infinite.   
      
   Gary looks to some rule/law in which requires a citizen to conform too   
   other wise he'll take it to mean he can do it in the street.   
      
    Since there's no law to force him to pledge allegiance to the flag or   
   to which it stands, Gary's free not too. He wouldn't honor that law   
   anyway because of his nature to rebel against higher authority. What's   
   in a flag? It's an object of repression, slavery and bigotry to him.   
   People who swear allegiance to the flag in my opinion do not need a   
   law to stay within the boundaries of civility, morality or for 'which'   
   the flag stands.   
      
   To me the pledge and the flag are much more than words or objects. The   
   Pledge of Allegiance symbolizes unity of purpose, one nation with a   
   common goal, indivisible and yes, under God.   
      
   I'm of the school where there's something greater than me. I serve a   
   greater purpose and my own needs. I know that God requires much of me   
   and he expects payment back for what He has given me to sew...so to   
   speak.   
      
   I know Gary has no allegiance to anyone but his own selfish needs. Who   
   does he have to serve? Without a higher purpose, life is shallow and   
   disappointing.   
      
   With a higher purpose the focus of life is on serving others.   
      
   It's the difference between Mitt Romney and Obama.   
      
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