XPost: alt.society.liberalism, can.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh   
   XPost: alt.atheism   
   From: vandar69@yahoo.com   
      
   On 8/7/2013 1:04 PM, Yoorghis@Jurgis.net wrote:   
   > On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 09:15:56 -0400, Vandar  wrote:   
   >   
   >>>> So the candidate that promises free healthcare, free food stamps, free   
   >>>> welfare and basically total government control over their lives, will   
   >>>> be the one they vote for.   
   >>>   
   >>> No candidate you can name does that, you dumbfuckwit   
   >>>   
   >>> If you had even one functioning bat in that empty belfry---you'd know   
   >>> the idea of the REFORM in HC is to have everyone pay something for   
   >>> their health care   
   >>   
   >> No. It's to have some people pay for their own plus something for the   
   >> healthcare of other people (who pay nothing).   
   >   
   > Pay attention---(See below)   
   >   
   >>> The PRESENT system provides "Free" HC from anyone who must use ER   
   >>> rooms that the state bills the Federal government for---and YOU   
   >>> pay-for-NOW.   
   >>>   
   >>>> Whoever it was (since there is a lot of discussion as to who actually   
   >>>> said it) that stated that a free nation will only last around a couple   
   >>>> hundred years because the people will fuck it up when they realize   
   >>>> they can vote themselves entitlements was 100% correct.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ya moron   
   >>>   
   >>> 80% of ALL income and wealth EACH YEAR is going to less than 12% of   
   >>> the top income levels.  The other 20% is the wages and income of ALL   
   >>> others in this country.   
   >>>   
   >>> 80% of ALL amassed wealth is owned and/or controlled by less than 8%   
   >>> of the top wealth class.   
   >>   
   >> Neither of which has anything to do with what he said.   
   >   
   > DId you miss the part that says the PRESENT system is what is being   
   > reformed?   
      
   Legislating mandatory participation is not reform.   
   In a struggling economy, it's absurd.   
      
   > RIGHT NOW---the 60,000,000 without health care----use the ER.   
      
   Not all of them. Not even most of them.   
      
   > That uncompensated Care the Federal government (You) MUST reimburse the   
   > States for.   
   >   
   > If (look up the word, if necessary)---If everyone paid   
   > "something"---those 60,000,000 would (in effect) pay for most of what   
   > the govt (you) pay-for-now.   
      
   They will stay pay nothing under Obama's "reform". The issue is that the   
   costs for those who do pay are skyrocketing.   
      
   > secondly, the cost of those who do have HC policies---goes up to cover   
   > the rising costs of ER rooms (which are unrealistically expensive),   
   > which means---YOU pay for YOUR insurance, YOU pay for Others (taxes)   
   > who don't have insurance, and then you pay MORE for your Premium   
   > because the actuarials include the non-payers.   
      
   Obamacare adds millions of non-payers.   
      
   > Third---YOUR premium includes (look up the word)---CEO salaries,   
   > Dividends to investors, high administration costs, costs of   
   > advertising, ...AND----(pay attention now)---the associated medical   
   > equipment, drugs, for Health care related things.   
      
   Those things are still paid out of premiums. When the government said   
   the industry had to spend 80% of premium revenue on "healthcare costs",   
   the industry responded by reclassifying executive salaries as   
   "healthcare costs".   
      
   > Ex:  If YOU need a wheel chair---YOU can go to any medical supply   
   > store and buy one for about $200.   
   >   
   > When the insurance companies provide one, or when the Govt (you)   
   > reimburse states for ER charges (uncompensated)---the cost to the govt   
   > (you) is $1200.  Across the board, providers, doctors, hostpitals, and   
   > insurance companies charge Huge amounts that YOU pay for.  (you still   
   > have to pay YOUR premium).   
   >   
   > (no, the govt (you) cannot refuse to pay---It's the (old) LAW.   
   >   
   >>> How long do you think ANY nation can survive that system   
   >>   
   >> Until those who want freebies outnumber those who aren't afraid of work,   
   >> and they start electing incompetent morons to maintain those freebies.   
   >   
   > You're not capable of any argument without some credible evidence you   
   > even understand that your silly faux fed crap isn't rational.   
      
   I haven't watched 5 minutes of FOXNews in my life.   
   And my dog knows infinitely more about any topic than you.   
      
   > The cost of HC is independent of anyone's ability to pay---it's based   
   > on profit and greed---not good of nation.   
      
   It's even more focused on that under Obamacare.   
      
   > The HC is NOT "Free" is it being paid for (by law)   
      
   It's not free *for me*. It is free for the morons that support the moron   
   in the White House.   
      
   > The REFORM will stop what you call "freebie" and require everyone to   
   > pay according to ability   
      
   That's a lie.   
      
   > Don't you get it?   
      
   I understand it perfectly. I also understand that you don't know a damn   
   thing about it.   
      
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