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   From: §pamßuster@nyet.ca   
      
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   On 8/7/2013 10:25 AM, Vandar wrote:   
   > On 8/7/2013 1:04 PM, Yoorghis@Jurgis.net wrote:   
   >> On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 09:15:56 -0400, Vandar  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>> So the candidate that promises free healthcare, free food stamps,   
   >>>>> free   
   >>>>> welfare and basically total government control over their lives, will   
   >>>>> be the one they vote for.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No candidate you can name does that, you dumbfuckwit   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If you had even one functioning bat in that empty belfry---you'd know   
   >>>> the idea of the REFORM in HC is to have everyone pay something for   
   >>>> their health care   
   >>>   
   >>> No. It's to have some people pay for their own plus something for the   
   >>> healthcare of other people (who pay nothing).   
   >>   
   >> Pay attention---(See below)   
   >>   
   >>>> The PRESENT system provides "Free" HC from anyone who must use ER   
   >>>> rooms that the state bills the Federal government for---and YOU   
   >>>> pay-for-NOW.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Whoever it was (since there is a lot of discussion as to who actually   
   >>>>> said it) that stated that a free nation will only last around a   
   >>>>> couple   
   >>>>> hundred years because the people will fuck it up when they realize   
   >>>>> they can vote themselves entitlements was 100% correct.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Ya moron   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 80% of ALL income and wealth EACH YEAR is going to less than 12% of   
   >>>> the top income levels.  The other 20% is the wages and income of ALL   
   >>>> others in this country.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 80% of ALL amassed wealth is owned and/or controlled by less than 8%   
   >>>> of the top wealth class.   
   >>>   
   >>> Neither of which has anything to do with what he said.   
   >>   
   >> DId you miss the part that says the PRESENT system is what is being   
   >> reformed?   
   >   
   > Legislating mandatory participation is not reform.   
   > In a struggling economy, it's absurd.   
   >   
   >> RIGHT NOW---the 60,000,000 without health care----use the ER.   
   >   
   > Not all of them. Not even most of them.   
   >   
   >> That uncompensated Care the Federal government (You) MUST reimburse the   
   >> States for.   
   >>   
   >> If (look up the word, if necessary)---If everyone paid   
   >> "something"---those 60,000,000 would (in effect) pay for most of what   
   >> the govt (you) pay-for-now.   
   >   
   > They will stay pay nothing under Obama's "reform". The issue is that   
   > the costs for those who do pay are skyrocketing.   
   >   
   >> secondly, the cost of those who do have HC policies---goes up to cover   
   >> the rising costs of ER rooms (which are unrealistically expensive),   
   >> which means---YOU pay for YOUR insurance, YOU pay for Others (taxes)   
   >> who don't have insurance, and then you pay MORE for your Premium   
   >> because the actuarials include the non-payers.   
   >   
   > Obamacare adds millions of non-payers.   
   >   
   >> Third---YOUR premium includes (look up the word)---CEO salaries,   
   >> Dividends to investors, high administration costs, costs of   
   >> advertising, ...AND----(pay attention now)---the associated medical   
   >> equipment, drugs, for Health care related things.   
   >   
   > Those things are still paid out of premiums. When the government said   
   > the industry had to spend 80% of premium revenue on "healthcare   
   > costs", the industry responded by reclassifying executive salaries as   
   > "healthcare costs".   
   >   
   >> Ex:  If YOU need a wheel chair---YOU can go to any medical supply   
   >> store and buy one for about $200.   
   >>   
   >> When the insurance companies provide one, or when the Govt (you)   
   >> reimburse states for ER charges (uncompensated)---the cost to the govt   
   >> (you) is $1200.  Across the board, providers, doctors, hostpitals, and   
   >> insurance companies charge Huge amounts that YOU pay for.  (you still   
   >> have to pay YOUR premium).   
   >>   
   >> (no, the govt (you) cannot refuse to pay---It's the (old) LAW.   
   >>   
   >>>> How long do you think ANY nation can survive that system   
   >>>   
   >>> Until those who want freebies outnumber those who aren't afraid of   
   >>> work,   
   >>> and they start electing incompetent morons to maintain those freebies.   
   >>   
   >> You're not capable of any argument without some credible evidence you   
   >> even understand that your silly faux fed crap isn't rational.   
   >   
   > I haven't watched 5 minutes of FOXNews in my life.   
   > And my dog knows infinitely more about any topic than you.   
   >   
   >> The cost of HC is independent of anyone's ability to pay---it's based   
   >> on profit and greed---not good of nation.   
   >   
   > It's even more focused on that under Obamacare.   
   >   
   >> The HC is NOT "Free" is it being paid for (by law)   
   >   
   > It's not free *for me*. It is free for the morons that support the   
   > moron in the White House.   
   >   
   >> The REFORM will stop what you call "freebie" and require everyone to   
   >> pay according to ability   
   >   
   > That's a lie.   
   >   
   >> Don't you get it?   
   >   
   > I understand it perfectly. I also understand that you don't know a   
   > damn thing about it.   
   >   
      
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