XPost: alt.society.liberalism, us.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
XPost: alt.atheism, can.politics
From: vandar69@yahoo.com
On 8/7/2013 4:12 PM, §ρamßuster wrote:
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> KEEP IT OUT OF CANADIAN NEWSGROUPS, THANKS
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YOU DIDN'T SAY PLEASE
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> On 8/7/2013 10:25 AM, Vandar wrote:
>> On 8/7/2013 1:04 PM, Yoorghis@Jurgis.net wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 09:15:56 -0400, Vandar wrote:
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>>>>>> So the candidate that promises free healthcare, free food stamps,
>>>>>> free
>>>>>> welfare and basically total government control over their lives, will
>>>>>> be the one they vote for.
>>>>>
>>>>> No candidate you can name does that, you dumbfuckwit
>>>>>
>>>>> If you had even one functioning bat in that empty belfry---you'd know
>>>>> the idea of the REFORM in HC is to have everyone pay something for
>>>>> their health care
>>>>
>>>> No. It's to have some people pay for their own plus something for the
>>>> healthcare of other people (who pay nothing).
>>>
>>> Pay attention---(See below)
>>>
>>>>> The PRESENT system provides "Free" HC from anyone who must use ER
>>>>> rooms that the state bills the Federal government for---and YOU
>>>>> pay-for-NOW.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Whoever it was (since there is a lot of discussion as to who actually
>>>>>> said it) that stated that a free nation will only last around a
>>>>>> couple
>>>>>> hundred years because the people will fuck it up when they realize
>>>>>> they can vote themselves entitlements was 100% correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ya moron
>>>>>
>>>>> 80% of ALL income and wealth EACH YEAR is going to less than 12% of
>>>>> the top income levels. The other 20% is the wages and income of ALL
>>>>> others in this country.
>>>>>
>>>>> 80% of ALL amassed wealth is owned and/or controlled by less than 8%
>>>>> of the top wealth class.
>>>>
>>>> Neither of which has anything to do with what he said.
>>>
>>> DId you miss the part that says the PRESENT system is what is being
>>> reformed?
>>
>> Legislating mandatory participation is not reform.
>> In a struggling economy, it's absurd.
>>
>>> RIGHT NOW---the 60,000,000 without health care----use the ER.
>>
>> Not all of them. Not even most of them.
>>
>>> That uncompensated Care the Federal government (You) MUST reimburse the
>>> States for.
>>>
>>> If (look up the word, if necessary)---If everyone paid
>>> "something"---those 60,000,000 would (in effect) pay for most of what
>>> the govt (you) pay-for-now.
>>
>> They will stay pay nothing under Obama's "reform". The issue is that
>> the costs for those who do pay are skyrocketing.
>>
>>> secondly, the cost of those who do have HC policies---goes up to cover
>>> the rising costs of ER rooms (which are unrealistically expensive),
>>> which means---YOU pay for YOUR insurance, YOU pay for Others (taxes)
>>> who don't have insurance, and then you pay MORE for your Premium
>>> because the actuarials include the non-payers.
>>
>> Obamacare adds millions of non-payers.
>>
>>> Third---YOUR premium includes (look up the word)---CEO salaries,
>>> Dividends to investors, high administration costs, costs of
>>> advertising, ...AND----(pay attention now)---the associated medical
>>> equipment, drugs, for Health care related things.
>>
>> Those things are still paid out of premiums. When the government said
>> the industry had to spend 80% of premium revenue on "healthcare
>> costs", the industry responded by reclassifying executive salaries as
>> "healthcare costs".
>>
>>> Ex: If YOU need a wheel chair---YOU can go to any medical supply
>>> store and buy one for about $200.
>>>
>>> When the insurance companies provide one, or when the Govt (you)
>>> reimburse states for ER charges (uncompensated)---the cost to the govt
>>> (you) is $1200. Across the board, providers, doctors, hostpitals, and
>>> insurance companies charge Huge amounts that YOU pay for. (you still
>>> have to pay YOUR premium).
>>>
>>> (no, the govt (you) cannot refuse to pay---It's the (old) LAW.
>>>
>>>>> How long do you think ANY nation can survive that system
>>>>
>>>> Until those who want freebies outnumber those who aren't afraid of
>>>> work,
>>>> and they start electing incompetent morons to maintain those freebies.
>>>
>>> You're not capable of any argument without some credible evidence you
>>> even understand that your silly faux fed crap isn't rational.
>>
>> I haven't watched 5 minutes of FOXNews in my life.
>> And my dog knows infinitely more about any topic than you.
>>
>>> The cost of HC is independent of anyone's ability to pay---it's based
>>> on profit and greed---not good of nation.
>>
>> It's even more focused on that under Obamacare.
>>
>>> The HC is NOT "Free" is it being paid for (by law)
>>
>> It's not free *for me*. It is free for the morons that support the
>> moron in the White House.
>>
>>> The REFORM will stop what you call "freebie" and require everyone to
>>> pay according to ability
>>
>> That's a lie.
>>
>>> Don't you get it?
>>
>> I understand it perfectly. I also understand that you don't know a
>> damn thing about it.
>>
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